Carnage before Christmas

[gabe]

hey guys im catching up now

[wufwugy]

given that update, my play has been nutlow so far

[wufwugy]

yo mmm give gabe dat dead thread

[Keybored]

hey guys im catching up now

DIE FUCKER!!

...reloading, better start running!

[OngBonga]

hey guys im catching up now

potd

[OngBonga]

keybored who do you think the wolves are based on what's happened since you did the business?

[Keybored]

Man, this game is cracking me up. Well done, MoMo! You picked the perfect scenario capable of spinning this particular group of megalomaniacal over-thinkers into a star imploding into a black hole. Hey you guys, ask yourself this:

If Keybored's a Villager, then who'd want to go balls out to A) Lynch him and/or B) Save him?

I think the ppl pushing uber hard to mislynch me are wolves.
The attack is way too emotional and feigns logic.
I think their plan is to get us to waste our last V-HS on another villager (me).
They don't care about the lunch, it's our last HS they're after.

I think the ppl arguing to save me are truly considering what's best for the village and their logic is sound.

Fellow Hot Shot...Save it for the high percentage shot or submit to a village consensus.

[wufwugy]

and another wolfy wolfy wolfy ass post by keybored

he should be lynched on principle. priniciple that marginal possibility of confirmation is less important than lynching people who behave like ultra wolves. we're supposed to take pride in being able to determine the difference between fake/real specials, or in this case good/bad specials

whatev

[baudib]

JFC Keybored could be a villager

[Hoopy]

Man, this game is cracking me up. Well done, MoMo! You picked the perfect scenario capable of spinning this particular group of megalomaniacal over-thinkers into a star imploding into a black hole.

That is a great description.

[baudib]

Hoops did you get wolf?

[MadMojoMonkey]

i'm off to bed now so will miss the end of day , along with most of the rest of the brits playing.This end of day time sucks.

:/ I consider this a folly on my part. Sorry euro-bros.

A solution will be implemented, but D1 timing will not change.

hey guys im catching up now

SMH

Is it cliche' if I tell him, "Just RTFT and post afterward."?

[Hoopy]

I think wuf and ong are both villagers based on their exchanges, I also think JKDS is a villager because of his thoughts so far.

I'm sticking with dhuber because his one post of substance is weird and wolfy. Could be persuaded to switch to rong or Gator.

[OngBonga]

why not get on Ong with me wuf . i'm off to bed now so will miss the end of day , along with most of the rest of the brits playing.This end of day time sucks.

This is all keith has had to say since I said this is nothing like the keith that was attacking me recently when I was a wolf. He knows I have him bang to rights. I haven't been this confident in a wolf read since wuf last game.

[baudib]

lynch hoopy?

[Hoopy]

Hoops did you get wolf?

Nope.

I'd like to see the end of the day, but sleep is needed soon.

[baudib]

can we consolidate to 2-3 wagons?

[baudib]

and another wolfy wolfy wolfy ass post by keybored

he should be lynched on principle. priniciple that marginal possibility of confirmation is less important than lynching people who behave like ultra wolves. we're supposed to take pride in being able to determine the difference between fake/real specials, or in this case good/bad specials

whatev

I really kinda almost maybe agree with you on principle as taking YOLO shots that end badly should have consequences.

I disagree that that post is wolfy. I think he'd be at least try to show a modicum of remorse if he were a wolf.

[wufwugy]

why the hell would he have remorse as a wolf?

[baudib]

"try to show"

[wufwugy]

i think he would be more likely to show remorse as a villager

[OngBonga]

I think it doesn't matter.

[wufwugy]

ofc that assumes he has an idea of why. if he's villager, it means he did all those things, which suggests he doesn't think they were as bad as they were

[OngBonga]

Can't we just lynch keith? If he flips villager then you can blame me for the loss instead of imba. I'm cool with that. I'm more certain that keith is a wolf than keyb.

[baudib]

Me too. I can't believe no one wants to lynch BID here though.

[wufwugy]

fwiw we do have history of key doing some hyper wolfy things as villager. i thought he was for sure wolf in anon game

[OngBonga]

drew is not so easy to read as he used to be. If we had plenty of elbow room then I'd be down with his lynch, but I want some confidence and my read of drew is very much null.

[wufwugy]

when is the day over?

[BankItDrew]

BID despite your reputation I don't actively think you're stupid.

Thanks. I think.

[OngBonga]

when is the day over?

Stupid o'clock. It's 2am now, I think it's 3 or 4 hours.

[wufwugy]

looks like mmm said 4 from right now when he last posted

[wufwugy]

Me too. I can't believe no one wants to lynch BID here though.

you mean like you? notice you bolded hoopy last

[wufwugy]

lynch baud

[BankItDrew]

Me too. I can't believe no one wants to lynch BID here though.

I'm open to debating you as to why you think I'm a wolf. I'll try my best to entertain you as well as defend my position. My priority is in that order.

I understand this game does have some skill involved in it but not as much as I think other people think there is. If I can make an analogy to poker it's this: WW is a skill game but involves a lot of luck. Although some players spew their load (stack), there will always be an element of luck. I think of each Day as one hand in poker. One day is a crapshoot luck game. 51% Of the time the correct decision (based on info) is made, ignoring results obv. Play many days, possibly over the course of many games, the truly good players rise to the top as far as reads and decisions go.

[Keybored]

So does it make sense for keybored to do this as a villager? Yes it does. We all thought he was in his 20s the first time he played, and were surprised to find out hes retired and old. Hes the type that would be itching to fire his gun, and looking for any reason to do so. Is this is first time as a special? It very well might be, I wasnt here when he joined in april. The point is, it is not inconsistent that he shot gabe. Most ppl when they are vigs shoot people. Its fun.

Who you callin' retarded and old?? Sonny, i'll come over there and whoop yur arse.
Itching to fire my gun? I think I pissed myself a little bit when I read that!
Yup, first time as anything Special.
Blasting the Murcan Gun was very fun indeed.

[OngBonga]

Ok I'm just scanning through the thread and keith and hoopy are not wolves together.

[dhubermex]

The only player I'm willing to work with at this time is wufwugy. I'm so-so on a Hoopy lynch, but prefer JKDS for the reasons I already outlined.

As far as JKDS' question for why I claimed V-V, I thought there was a clause in the past game or dead thread saying I could revive the self-claim if Keybored re-used "kid" between then & now? And besides, I'm V-V again so it's just best to get that out there so I can make a difference mid-game if I happen to be there.

[OngBonga]

I guess a wolf could suggest keith's idea if the player list is setup perfect for the wolves, but that's already very unlikely. keith's a solid villager in my eyes.

It's a great strat idea if keith is a wolf and the rando shootings kill only villagers.

drew is villager, hoopy might be wolf with keith after all.

[Hoopy]

drew is villager, hoopy might be wolf with keith after all.

Those two quotes you posted basically say the same thing.

[OngBonga]

One implies keith villager, the other keith wolf. How do they say basically the same thing?

[MadMojoMonkey]

Upon further reflection, I can't think of anything worse for the game than having people asleep at EOD.

Day 1 time is extended by 12 hours.

That's noon St. Louis time, or 6:00 PM in Angle Land.

[dhubermex]

Glad to hear the day has been extended.

Oh, and I SHOOT HOOPY WITH MY MURCAN GUN, HELL YEAH

Now that that's taken care of, can we get on with the JKDS lynch?

[BankItDrew]

Lmao

[BankItDrew]

One time dealer

i love massacre quick games. Another before 2015?

[wufwugy]

gonna be hilarity if hoopy is a hotshot

[OngBonga]

Then that happened. I like this shot a lot more. I'm surprised he didn't shoot jkds though.

[OngBonga]

Alright, here goes...

Here's a summary of keith's attacks on me this game...

ong seems to be the ong from two games ago . lynch ong

hotshot shooting key today is a waste. vig could do that tonight. I suggest that hotshots shoot according to a formula and we get a hotshot taking out a premium target instead. And then Ong turns round and calls me a wolf .My scheme would probably have prevented the wolves from choosing their target and it looks like the wolf hotshot acted preemptively since my scheme would have narrowed down the wolf hotshot rather than letting them hide until an endgame shot.

hotshots , just take out ong and jkds now and with luck we could have 3 dead wolves by tomorrrow.

key ong jkds and one of bid/hoopy.

why not get on Ong with me wuf . i'm off to bed now so will miss the end of day , along with most of the rest of the brits playing.This end of day time sucks.

Now let's have a look at two games ago...

massive wall

why would i want to get angry and revenge vote a wolf when its obvious that your ploy is to get control of the dead thread and pick off the good players. i think keybored is the 3rd as he opened up with a lynch baudib after i put my warning about wolvees could control the angel.The only dumb people are those that think that the wolves controlling the dead thread and therefore the first couple of protections is +EV for the village. not killing you today is not the same as saving your lynches for when it won't hurt the village

yeah then we lynch you ,baud and keybored and we are at least at 1:5 and maybe better.
allowing the wolves to get rid of people able to figure out who the wolves are and leave people alive who they will pile suspicion on like me for past wolf exploits is going to leave village in a far worse position in the endgame.ACtually , i think hoopy has a point , BID alive in the endgame is bad for village and hopefully he'll realize that protecting baud and ong is bad for the village (and the players and dead thread readers)

lynch BID

yeah thwarting your cunning plan wonga. Ong , is a live BID +EV for the village in this format, the wolves will never eat him

I'm only up to page three of "no theme werewolf". Does anyone see the diffeence yet or do I really have to continue to hammer the message that this is not the same keith that was relelntlessly attacking me when he correctly thought I was a wolf a few games back. Here he hasn't got the fire in his belly because he hasn't got a case against me, he has no belief that I'm a wolf because he knows I'm not one.

Keith is a wolf.

[OngBonga]

Was gonna vote for him with that but let's see where the shit settles...

[BankItDrew]

What's the record for FTR posts during Day 1?

[baudib]

lynch Keith

[Keybored]

Upon further reflection, I can't think of anything worse for the game than having people asleep at EOD.

Day 1 time is extended by 12 hours.

That's noon St. Louis time, or 6:00 PM in Angle Land.

This is BS! I realize Mod rules all but I waited to make my move at a specific time for a strategic reason. Like it or not, IDGAF. But arbitrarily moving EOD totally undermines my action. There's no way I make that shot when I did otherwise. I even mentioned timing when I took the shot. I'm butt hurt by this extension. The fuck.

[baudib]

don't talk about mod decisions imo

[dhubermex]

This is BS! I realize Mod rules all but I waited to make my move at a specific time for a strategic reason. Like it or not, IDGAF. But arbitrarily moving EOD totally undermines my action. There's no way I make that shot when I did otherwise. I even mentioned timing when I took the shot. I'm butt hurt by this extension. The fuck.

[wufwugy]

This is BS! I realize Mod rules all but I waited to make my move at a specific time for a strategic reason. Like it or not, IDGAF. But arbitrarily moving EOD totally undermines my action. There's no way I make that shot when I did otherwise. I even mentioned timing when I took the shot. I'm butt hurt by this extension. The fuck.

pray tell, what was your reason?

[baudib]

pray tell, what was your reason?

don't discuss mod decisions IMO

[dhubermex]

pray tell, what was your reason?

He's trying to say he wouldn't have shot gabe had he known gabe still had a lot of time to contribute D1. So Keybored is either lock Village or one hell of a Wolf with the emo-psyche. I think the former is much more likely.

[OngBonga]

doobs if you faked on hoopy your timing was awful, it's 3.30am in UK.

[GatorJH]

I literally just skimmed the last 4 pages in like 2 minutes and was thinking throughout that either wuf or Hoopy need to get lynched because so much info comes from either one and Hoopy was my choice WAY over wuf. Now I have to wait to see what happens. If Hoopy flips wolf I move to JKDS or Keith (I can't remember which one kept arguing the same point as Hoopy) if he flips villager wuf goes.

[Keybored]

Not going to delve further into this EOD thing. It's done. MoMo busted my ballz in PM.

Anyway, until I'm confirmed, my cred is non existent. Anything I say is just fog of war.
So I'm just gonna lurk, keep current with thread, and wait for redemption.

[BankItDrew]

I'm incredibly curious as to what MMM said in PM. I'll pay $10.

[wufwugy]

i luz vote counts

[BankItDrew]

*OFFICIAL REQUEST TO MOD*

Updated vote count and screenshot PM to keybored plz

[JKDS]

I dont think dhuber shot hoopy

[wufwugy]

clearly

[Keybored]

I'm incredibly curious as to what MMM said in PM. I'll pay $10.

Kicking a beaten dog. That's cold. Get yer entertainment elsewhere. Go find wolves, dammit.

[wufwugy]

He's trying to say he wouldn't have shot gabe had he known gabe still had a lot of time to contribute D1. So Keybored is either lock Village or one hell of a Wolf with the emo-psyche. I think the former is much more likely.

problem is extension doesnt undermine his shot at all if his purpose was to assuming it was late enough that gabe wouldnt show up

man i really wish we could just lynch key as is. virtually every aspect of his shot screams "i do this because i aint no stinkin villager"

[wufwugy]

Kicking a beaten dog. That's cold. Get yer entertainment elsewhere. Go find wolves, dammit.

like you didnt? like you shot gabe even as you didnt think he was a wolf? like you shot gabe while claiming gator is wolf?

[BankItDrew]

Thanks wuf

my thoughts exactly

[MadMojoMonkey]

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<<< V O T E ~ C O U N T >>>
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player (# votes) - who's voting for them {post count}

baudib (2) - rong {20}, wuf {118}
dhubs (2) - Hoopy {25}, JKDS {35}
keith (2) - baud {66}, ong {107}
gator (1) - key {19}
Hoopy (1) - Luco {20}
JKDS (1) - dhubs {7}
key (1) - BID {44}
ong (1) - keith {20}

novote (1) - gator {22}


Day 1 ends in ~13.5 hours

***
The title of my PM to keybored was "Dont be upset, friend" and explained in a bit more detail why I decided to extend the day.

Here's the PM:

I don't see how the change matters so much, but I trust you had some machinations running behind the scenes.

I think that vote shenanigans at EOD are an important part of the game, and I feel that scheduling it so that EOD was at 6:00 AM for a majority of the players was antithetical to this end.

I admit that I should have foreseen this; I cited my folly in thread.

I apologize to you if this undermines your plans. It is my intention to avoid any rule changes if possible, but I do feel like this oversight on my part deserved resolution, for the greater good of all players and the integrity of the game.

***
In the future, please direct any criticism of my choices (as a WW mod, during a game I a modding) to me directly via PM. I don't want to set a precedent of people giving the mods grief in the game.

In the future, please direct any criticism of my choices (as a WW mod, during a game I a modding) to me directly via PM. I don't want to set a precedent of people giving the mods grief in the game.

[wufwugy]

lynch dhubs

i think a wolf more often fake shoots than a villager. also his two targets, shot and bold, just so happen to be the two people bolded on him

[Keybored]

I guess there's no "private" in PM. I feel so violated.

[Keybored]

like you didnt? like you shot gabe even as you didnt think he was a wolf? like you shot gabe while claiming gator is wolf?

C'mon Wuf...I got my fill of pit bull last game with Keith. Why so much tunneling, bud?

[BankItDrew]

Should I pay $10?

[Luco]

skimmed through. My first thought is that dhuber flips v here a lot based on timing of his fakeshot, he threw it out just after the extension at a point where I think a wolf would be more inclined to step back and reassess

[Luco]

Luco did you weigh in on how to utilize shots

I think I did. If we mislynch today vig shouldnt fire, and any village hotshot(s) should wait until d2 as they will have more info to work with

Its a gamble that they dont get nommed n1 but as long as too many vanillagers arent eliminating themselves from the hotshot pool (i.e. fakeshotting) we should be ok

Actually the rules have changed, maybe vig should peel one tonight regardless.