Double Day Unlimited Werewolf

[baudib]

Yeah well you're getting lynched, and I'm getting nommed. So we'll see.

Wat. If I'm a wolf and get lynched, the game is over and you can't get nommed.

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Lynch Ong

[OngBonga]

I dare you to stick to your guns on this one.

[baudib]

do you care to explain how you'll get nommed if you think I'm a wolf?

[OngBonga]

I'm not even going there. If you're going to try and present that as a pov slip, good luck.

[baudib]

well i'm convinced.

[OngBonga]

First off I get you mislynched, then I nom myself.

[OngBonga]

Here's what a non gator wolf will be thinking tonight...

"gator would kill ong so kill ong"

gator wolf will be thinking...

"any other wolf would try to frame me by killing ong, so if I don't kill ong, everyone will wonder why I wasn't framed, therefore kill ong"

baudib wolf will be thinking...

"i wish i could've nommed ong before i got lynched"

[JKDS]

Nah, ong is a villa. The Pov slip is dumb and desperate too.

lynch baudib

[BankItDrew]

You are cleared because you voted for Luco. I too voted for Luco yet you vote for me. What kind of logic are you using here?

This needs to be addressed.

It is a response to gabe's logic of being cleared for voting luco.
While gabe then votes gator.
While gator is voting for luco.

[JKDS]

Like, I'm not moving off my gator and Gabe read. Even if they are both alive tomorrow, that doesn't change anything for these two that it doesn't change for anyone else. It's just insecurity talk, from someone who has gotten enough suspicion to not think he's gonna be nommed and unable to push it tomorrow.

[JKDS]

Bid loozing for wolves other than baudib, clearly bid is a villager.

[BankItDrew]

As some of you may be aware, I self-claim to be a soul reader of ong.

Very confident he is a villager. Like 95%

[BankItDrew]

I think I'll be problematic to have around at F5 so you can lynch me now.

I could be wrong about this but...

Was baudib a wolf one game where he basically just gave up?

I remember baudib and ong battling relentlessly vs one another while both were villagers.

Here, he doesn't seem to give a fuck anymore. It might be because the game seems futile.

[BankItDrew]

I think mojo is town. The drunk posts make little sense, and I'm kind of thinking that mojo wouldn't post at all as wolf if he was drunk, because I think he's a bad liar, and not a risk taker, while he's incredibly smart, and a team player. So as drunk wolf, he'd be concerned that he might make a mistake and fuck it up for the team. Villagers have no concern about making a mistake.

Good post.

[BankItDrew]

I think the way to deal with gator is thus...

If everyone looks like a villager, kill gator first.

I lol'd irl

I'm leaning villager gator for a combination of the luco post plus tone. Gator seems honest this game.

[lilrascal]

I just got home from dinner and have to finish packing for a 2 week business trip. I'll finish catching up on the thread in the morning at the airport.

From where I stand right now I think BID and are village (I think this is the earliest I've said this about Ong), probably JKDS as well. Gator and baud I'm not sure about. Gabe, I honestly don't remember much from.

MMM looks wolfiest to me. He's seemed different this game.

Lynch MMM

[BankItDrew]

Lilrascal, did you mean to add 'ong' as being most likely villager with me in your second paragraph?

Tbqh, I'm not getting a wolfy vibe from mmm. Ong's analysis of mmm's drunk post made a lot of sense to me, which alleviated any issues I had with mmm. I find mmm a valuable village asset too, so I'm not going to jump on him without solid reasoning.

Thus, lilrascal is close to the top of my wolf list.

Although, lilrascal is still far behind baudib on the same list.

Baudib doesn't feel like baudib. He's usually occupying the vast majority of the post count - half being pasta on a wall, half being rhetoric.

[b] lynch baudib [\b]

[BankItDrew]

lynch baudib

[baudib]

Do we have Maj? That might be Maj. Look at MMM/JKDS/Gabe tomorrow.

[BankItDrew]

Dude, you're not even trying. You're fun when you try.

[MadMojoMonkey]

@baudib: I am fed up with the abusive tone you have taken in past games and the fact that you called ong a moron in this game.

Seriously. What are you doing? You say ong is a V and you attack him? Terrible play if you're a V. Fomenting insecurities in your allies is practically suicide. You're doing the wolves' work.

If you're the V you claim you are, then give your reads.
Ask the questions that you find most interesting.
Encourage the people you have V reads on to work together, and forge a team.

[baudib]

I'm voting for a wolf and I have 1/4 of the posts ITT.

you guys do what you want.

[baudib]

lynch Gabe

[MadMojoMonkey]

I'm voting for a wolf and I have 1/4 of the posts ITT.

you guys do what you want.

This "do what you want" BS is simply garbage play if you're a V.

I don't get where this rep that rascal was getting at comes from.

What are your best reads? That I'm a wolf?
I got news: You're wrong about that.
What's your backup?

Who are your most likely villagers? Why?

[baudib]

MMM - lots of words to say basically nothing in all of his posts
Gabe - probably most likely to bus his (afk) partner, vote on Gator suspicious
JKDS - content lacking

BID and Gator are V-V a lot.

[MadMojoMonkey]

lynch Gabe

OK, now you're voting for half the players. Statistically speaking, your approach prob has a wolf in it... and you're indiscriminate enough not to care that you're definitely wrong about 3 of them?

Why are you voting gabe?

[MadMojoMonkey]

Fine. Ninja post answers the gabe question, I guess.

[baudib]

Ong is trying a bit too hard here, if there's someone being cleared lightly it's him.

Rascal is probably ok, don't have high confidence but it looks like he's trying to figure stuff out.

[baudib]

rescind Ong

[MadMojoMonkey]

MMM - lots of words to say basically nothing in all of his posts

I think you should go ahead and read my posts again.

I have given reads on every player, at various times, to various clarity, and answered every question I've been asked (AFAIK).

[baudib]

let's say we lynch me and then Gator and Ong get nommed

that leaves BID, MMM, JKDS, Rascal and Gabe.

I suggest you lynch Gabe at F5 because if he's a villager, paranoia will get him lynched at F3.

JKDS will probably own you guys if he's the wolf.

MMM probably loses if he's a wolf.

[baudib]

Villagers voting for me, feel free to lynch me because honestly I don't have a great feel for this game, I just finished a 15k post game on POG and an absolute AIDS game on MU and I'm a little burnt out. However, it's totally on you if you kill me now and screw it up later when I would absolutely crush the end game.

[MadMojoMonkey]

@baudib
What makes you think gabe would be likely to bus? Was there something he said or did in a game? A general read of yours?

[baudib]

MMM did you vote for Luco? If so I might rescind my vote on you.

I don't know who voted for Luco but I'd guess Gabe would be most likely to bus because he thinks he can navigate through a couple days based on that, he was quick to point out that he was clear from it while voting for Gator.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Luco voters were:
gabe
gator
JKDS
ong

[baudib]

rescind Gabe
lynch Ong

[gabe]

MVP goes to ong so far. sure he is wrong with some of his approaches but hes working hard and really must be a villager. i feel good for saying as much in my first post of the thread. i also recognize i do that as a wolf sometimes too (that being try to get myself villager credit for calling out villagers)

gator, i was being greedy when i claimed i get village credit for voting luco. you are right you get village credit for that. but thats not enough to unbold you in a game where we can bold everyone

i feel good about working with baudib, ong and drew. im not sure about MMM. im skeptical of JKDS and gator. and as far as rascal, if i bold him every game, one day he will be a wolf . however ive come to appreciate his style so im going to back off of him

rescind all
lynch gator
lynch jkds

at this moment in time im most curious about the role of these 2. read into it whatever u want


im sure it appears im just coasting but ive had this feeling of 'aiya im so far behind' and havent just lept into the arena. i fly home tomorrow and have all week free to hunt wolves.

[baudib]

Gabe were you W-W with MMM? I missed that game. What was he like there?

[gabe]

i see why it makes sense i could be a wolf with luco. i know that if i make a beautiful case for someone i can be exonerated. the problem is im reviewing MMM's post trying to force him (in my head) into a wolf role so i can make a case for the sake of making it. upon reflection thats what it feels like. im hoping we lynch JKDS because thats what my gut is telling me tonight

[MadMojoMonkey]

I don't know who voted for Luco but I'd guess Gabe would be most likely to bus because he thinks he can navigate through a couple days based on that, he was quick to point out that he was clear from it while voting for Gator.

My only wolf game was with gabe and he was not interested in making anything more complicated than it needed to be. I think that's a rather decent personal read on him, given the variance of associated with knowing him mostly through WW.

I agree that he can navigate for a couple of days and knows it. What I don't see is how him voting for Luco, whom had only made one post, was somehow necessary. He could have voted you just the same. You were on 3 votes, Luco died w/ 4. If gabe doesn't bold Luco and bolds you instead, then Luco is still alive... w/ no implication on gabe. I'd giggle, personally, if gabe called someone out for low post count.

I don't see how, if gabe's a W, that he had his hand forced into voting Luco there. Yes, maybe he can do it at some point, but why there? Was it Luco's idea? Is Luco that adamant about wolf strategy?

[gabe]

Gabe were you W-W with MMM? I missed that game. What was he like there?

i dont remember how he came across in the thread. in the den, he seemed unsure of himself though so maybe he wasnt posting "loose" in the game thread. but its hard to read into that here because he might have the same approach, or us winning might gave him some confidence to freestyle more

[gabe]

ive had some low post count games but ive also been at the top of the list in some games. most of the post variance is related to how busy i am in life. starting tomorrow i wont be busy

[gabe]

also its worth saying i dont feel like my posts are the same style as when we play games with less of a break in between. shaking off the rust i guess

because of this i think looking at players here and comparing them to their styles in previous games might be a mistake. this shouldnt be true for the players who frequently play this across the internet. BID, gator, MMM and I only play on FTR now, right?

[baudib]

BID and MMM have been playing on MU.

[gabe]

how do we know when BID is a wolf? hes been practicing

[JKDS]

I feel like it's more likely bid is actually villa, than it is that a bunch of people who read him well are wrong.

[JKDS]

I'm dumb

rescind gabe

I apparently forgot to do this. If he's consistent at all with his meta, he's 100% villager.

[GatorJH]

let's say we lynch me and then Gator and Ong get nommed

that leaves BID, MMM, JKDS, Rascal and Gabe.

I suggest you lynch Gabe at F5 because if he's a villager, paranoia will get him lynched at F3.

JKDS will probably own you guys if he's the wolf.

MMM probably loses if he's a wolf.

I agree with all of this, but would add Rascal to the "probably loses as a wolf" list.

[GatorJH]

Luco voters were:
gabe
gator
JKDS
ong

IMHO if anyone were to bus Luco here it would be JKDS if for no other reason that the other wolf wouldn't want to be last and unless there was a specific strategy also wouldn't want to be first or second. Of course this assumes the above are in voting order. If they aren't you can disregard all of the above.

To be perfectly honest though I don't think the other wolf was on Luco's bandwagon at all.

[OngBonga]

My only wolf game was with gabe and he was not interested in making anything more complicated than it needed to be. I think that's a rather decent personal read on him, given the variance of associated with knowing him mostly through WW.

I agree that he can navigate for a couple of days and knows it. What I don't see is how him voting for Luco, whom had only made one post, was somehow necessary. He could have voted you just the same. You were on 3 votes, Luco died w/ 4. If gabe doesn't bold Luco and bolds you instead, then Luco is still alive... w/ no implication on gabe. I'd giggle, personally, if gabe called someone out for low post count.

I don't see how, if gabe's a W, that he had his hand forced into voting Luco there. Yes, maybe he can do it at some point, but why there? Was it Luco's idea? Is Luco that adamant about wolf strategy?

This is village mojo.

I'm still left thinking it's baudib. My problem with him is that it doesn't matter his alignment, he doesn't put himself in other people's shoes to try and figure out why he's been read as wolf. He just shouts moron and tells people they are bad. But all I see from baudib is vaguness. I mean I'm trying too hard? What the hell does that even mean? I'll tell you what it means. It means shut the fuck up ong. Now why does villager baudib want me to shut the fuck up when I'm systematically clearing people to narrow down my lynch pool? I guess that's because my lynch pool has been narrowed to one.

[OngBonga]

baudib and rascal are the only two people who have not given me reason to think they are town.

rascal at least has given me no reason to think he's wolf.

I'm pretty much done, all I can do is keep telling you all to lynch baudib. If I'm wrong, I get nommed and good luck, we still have two days to get it right.

[Hoopy]

Votecount 1.6

4
baudib - (BID, Ong, MMM, JKDS)

3
MMM - (Gator, lilrascal, baudib)

2
JKDS - (gabe, baudib)

lilrascal - (MMM, JKDS)

1
Gator - (gabe)

Ong - (baudib)

5 to lynch.

25 hours to go.

[lilrascal]

Lilrascal, did you mean to add 'ong' as being most likely villager with me in your second paragraph?

Tbqh, I'm not getting a wolfy vibe from mmm. Ong's analysis of mmm's drunk post made a lot of sense to me, which alleviated any issues I had with mmm. I find mmm a valuable village asset too, so I'm not going to jump on him without solid reasoning.

Thus, lilrascal is close to the top of my wolf list.

Although, lilrascal is still far behind baudib on the same list.

Baudib doesn't feel like baudib. He's usually occupying the vast majority of the post count - half being pasta on a wall, half being rhetoric.

[b] lynch baudib [\b]

Yes, Ong is in my villa list. When I went to add the part in parenthesis I messed it up.

[lilrascal]

Have it's starting to look more villa and JKDS had moved back to my neutral pile.

I'm not sure why some are arguing that the Luco wagon I'd all villa. It might be, but it would have been good for his wolfbro to get on early for cred and then got stuck when it picked up. But, that doesn't clear the later people on Luco either add they could have jumped on when it looked like it was inevitable he would be the lynch.

I need to get my spreadsheets going tonight to see when people got on and possibly off that wagon.

[OngBonga]

I'll say this... if baudib is a villager, instead of mocking me for being wrong again, why don't you instead look at why you keep getting lynched, and recognise your village flaws are a hinderance to town. If this is v-v once again, you and I clash to such a degree that we're straight up honourary wolves. Both of us. I'm not happy with that. But what can I do? Just refuse to try and read you? Fuck that. If you do wolfy shit, I'll call you out for it. If your reaction is to insult everyone who dares to think you're a wolf, you'll get lynched. Whether wolf or villager, you need to reassess your approach. I am trying to reassess mine.

[OngBonga]

The point is baudib, the onus is on you to convince me you're a villager. I seem to be doing a very good job of convicning everyone else I'm a villager. It's not that hard. Unless, that is, you're not a villager.

[OngBonga]

baudib - lots of words to say basically nothing in all of his posts

fyp

[OngBonga]

When baudib is a villager, his reaction to being called a wolf is basically to insult people and insist he's great and his reads are godly.

When he's a wolf, he has to do exactly that because he knows he does it as a villager.

The difference will be his conviction. Look at his voting patterns this game. His reads make no sense. He casually throws around v reads with no basis, then slaps down votes with no explanation immediately after they get v cred from someone else. Look at his arguments with me. Is this someone who is annoyed I am misreading him once again? Or is it someone who is trying to behave in the same manner as he did last time we were v-v arguing with each other?

He's either a wolf, or this is the worst I've seen his village game.

[lilrascal]

Ong it's my strongest villa lean at the moment.

They're closing the doors in the plane right now. I'll check in when I change planes and will do a total reread tonight, since I won't have much else to do sitting in the hotel.

[lilrascal]

Ong you're bringing up done good points on baudib. I'll look at hill tonight.

[lilrascal]

*done= some

[OngBonga]

rescind baudib

I don't want his lynch sealed by rascal before he responds.

[OngBonga]

MMM - (Gator, lilrascal, baudib)

This is where the wolf is voting imo. MMM is a lynchable villager, in the mind of the wolf.

[OngBonga]

If baudib is villager, rascal is my top suspect because of the way he's positioning himself to seal the lynch. rascal isn't very wolfy, but he isn't very villagery either.

[OngBonga]

it's not.

how do you get credit for Luco when he's essentially exactly = rand.

like actually I could see it but wolf Luco probably makes an effort to say something in his first post, look at last game.

I think this setup is massively pro-villa btw

Like I think the only way it would be fair to the wolves is if there's no reveal after the first lynch.

These three consecutive posts easily look the worst in retrospect of the luco flip.

baudib, instead of arguing with me, who you claim to read as villager, take a look at rascal for us, because you're best positioned to read him, and he's making me more paranoid than gator.

[GatorJH]

If baudib is villager, rascal is my top suspect because of the way he's positioning himself to seal the lynch. rascal isn't very wolfy, but he isn't very villagery either.

I would rather switch to rascal than baudib at this point in the game.

[OngBonga]

I would rather switch to rascal than baudib at this point in the game.

Do those three posts from baudib not look super weird now we know luco was a wolf? Espeically the bit where baudib suggests the first flip should not be public. That really doesn't look good, and it's entirely possible baudib wolf would actually post his frustrations in the thread because he spews every bit as much as I do.

rascal is certainly making me nervous, but that's mainly because I don't know how to read him.

I prefer baudib because he's much wolfier than rascal, but rascal is the only compromise I can make, especially given that baudib was wolfy as fuck in our last v-v game. Only, that game he was at least bang on with his reads (except for me). Here, I don't even know what his reads are. He thinks mojo is a wolf? I'll be surprised if he's right about that.

baudib > rascal >>>>>> rest

[GatorJH]

Do those three posts from baudib not look super weird now we know luco was a wolf? Espeically the bit where baudib suggests the first flip should not be public. That really doesn't look good, and it's entirely possible baudib wolf would actually post his frustrations in the thread because he spews every bit as much as I do.

rascal is certainly making me nervous, but that's mainly because I don't know how to read him.

I prefer baudib because he's much wolfier than rascal, but rascal is the only compromise I can make, especially given that baudib was wolfy as fuck in our last v-v game. Only, that game he was at least bang on with his reads (except for me). Here, I don't even know what his reads are. He thinks mojo is a wolf? I'll be surprised if he's right about that.

baudib > rascal >>>>>> rest

I think any post can look fishy if you have made up your mind that the individual is a wolf, and it seems you have done so with baudib. My tiebreaker is that I would rather have villager baudib around than lilrascal in the event we are wrong with either or both of them.

[GatorJH]

Let's see where this goes -

rescind mmm
lynch lilrascal

[OngBonga]

Gah I like that you rescinded your mojo vote, rather than conveniently "forget" to, leaving three people tied.

I don't like that I like something from you.

[gabe]

ong makes me nod nod nod shake my head. nod nod shake my head. nod. smdh.

i'm here now for 40minutes.

rescind all

[OngBonga]

haha

One day it will all be nods.

One day.

[OngBonga]

gabe, what's your thoughts on baudib vs rascal?

That's where the lynch seems to be going, one of those two.

[gabe]

im working through the thread now slowly. can you and baudib just consider this post

Ong just always wants me to be a wolf. we've literally never been able to work together as V/V (if you're a V)

and consider why it happens... and consider if thats whats happening now

[gabe]

i'm ready to lynch MMM. his posts dont do much to make me think he is village. he is just regurgitating and restating things without coming up with much. of course ong recently posted this:

This is village mojo.

but i completely disagree, in referenec to the post ong quoted, which follows:

My only wolf game was with gabe and he was not interested in making anything more complicated than it needed to be. I think that's a rather decent personal read on him, given the variance of associated with knowing him mostly through WW.

I agree that he can navigate for a couple of days and knows it. What I don't see is how him voting for Luco, whom had only made one post, was somehow necessary. He could have voted you just the same. You were on 3 votes, Luco died w/ 4. If gabe doesn't bold Luco and bolds you instead, then Luco is still alive... w/ no implication on gabe. I'd giggle, personally, if gabe called someone out for low post count.

I don't see how, if gabe's a W, that he had his hand forced into voting Luco there. Yes, maybe he can do it at some point, but why there? Was it Luco's idea? Is Luco that adamant about wolf strategy?

this post has nothing in it. it would be very easy for a wolf to type this.

lynch MMM