Russians vs. Americans: A Werewolf Game for October 2015

[lilrascal]

so should the village poisoner try to poison the same person the wolves will poison? obv a longshot to hit it but what do we lose? with 2 poisoned people tomorrow we gain should gain a ton of info, then save one

now is a good time since the healer will probably be alive tomorrow


yea?

the village polonium man has to soul read his poison bro

i assume the healer acts in secret (doesnt post in thread)

i dont like the idea of the poisoner target being public. this costs us all the EV of when both sides poison the same target

i think the village should poison someone who the wolves might also want dead. like maybe the wolves agree luco seems villagery, but the village poisoner is suspicious, but also recognizes the wolves might think luco was a strong village lean


even if that seems stupid, its not like poison is wasted. the point would be to kill wolves

but if the hive mind makes a GTO poison-based solution (if we get stuck) then that would make sense

This doesn't seem like normal gabe to me. Also, his logic is LOL bad.

Gabe's normally better than this, hopefully his posting picks up.

[gabe]

This doesn't seem like normal gabe to me. Also, his logic is LOL bad.

if someone thinks my logic bad, its always because of one of two things. 1) i missed some fact along the way or 2) you missed a fact along the way. the logic holds if my assumptions are right. i might not have explained enough. sometimes i do that hoping/assuming that people will fill in the gaps

the most important stuff of what you quoted is this "i dont like the idea of the poisoner target being public. this costs us all the EV of when both sides poison the same target"

this type of logic helps the village be more +ev going forward. are you helping in the same way? i feel good about my villager status with the village because im helping get us closer to the solution

[Top Tier Tom]

if someone thinks my logic bad, its always because of one of two things. 1) i missed some fact along the way or 2) you missed a fact along the way. the logic holds if my assumptions are right. i might not have explained enough. sometimes i do that hoping/assuming that people will fill in the gaps

the most important stuff of what you quoted is this "i dont like the idea of the poisoner target being public. this costs us all the EV of when both sides poison the same target"

this type of logic helps the village be more +ev going forward. are you helping in the same way? i feel good about my villager status with the village because im helping get us closer to the solution

I'm finding it increasingly hard to believe that you mean what you say. Are you a shook wolf or something? Your posting is just... lame. This post is lame. The last sentence is just hot garbage. I kinda want to lynch you now

[gabe]

I'm finding it increasingly hard to believe that you mean what you say. Are you a shook wolf or something? Your posting is just... lame. This post is lame. The last sentence is just hot garbage. I kinda want to lynch you now

i mean it all...

how is the last sentence garbage? the way i spot villagers is finding those who contribute to the village's solution. i feel like some players lose sight of this so i thought it was worth spelling out. can we just talk about me on day 2...

theres no way we can lynch bigred any time soon. tons of other places to poke in before addressing him. that long post he made is kind of a big deal

[Top Tier Tom]

i mean it all...

how is the last sentence garbage? the way i spot villagers is finding those who contribute to the village's solution. i feel like some players lose sight of this so i thought it was worth spelling out. can we just talk about me on day 2...

theres no way we can lynch bigred any time soon. tons of other places to poke in before addressing him. that long post he made is kind of a big deal

I really cannot follow what you're saying most of the time. Where do you want to "poke in"?

[NightGizmo]

theres no way we can lynch bigred any time soon. tons of other places to poke in before addressing him. that long post he made is kind of a big deal

I disagree about that post being a big deal. It's mostly fluff with a lot of "____ is acting like himself, so I don't know" or "____ posted a lot, we'll see". There is no real analysis, it's very wishy-washy.

[gabe]

I really cannot follow what you're saying most of the time. Where do you want to "poke in"?

thanks for being honest. maybe its hard to follow because its just stream of conscious. i'm not really planning what i say, i just say it. more villagy points for me

You haven't done anything to help the village. You've really only talked some mechanics about the poisoner.

i stated my reads on a few people and helped guide a couple reads. i have talked about poison mechanics but mostly because people engaged me on this topic. i think

I disagree about that post being a big deal. It's mostly fluff with a lot of "____ is acting like himself, so I don't know" or "____ posted a lot, we'll see". There is no real analysis, it's very wishy-washy.

i agree his post is very wishy washy. but recently bigred pretty much didnt show up for some games and siad he was quitting FTR. so i havent seen a nice attempt by bigred in such a long time that i thought that post was kind of a big deal. its not even necessarily villagery but im just not going to vote for him on day 1

[Beck Novo]

if someone thinks my logic bad, its always because of one of two things. 1) i missed some fact along the way or 2) you missed a fact along the way. the logic holds if my assumptions are right. i might not have explained enough. sometimes i do that hoping/assuming that people will fill in the gaps

the most important stuff of what you quoted is this "i dont like the idea of the poisoner target being public. this costs us all the EV of when both sides poison the same target"

this type of logic helps the village be more +ev going forward. are you helping in the same way? i feel good about my villager status with the village because im helping get us closer to the solution

you say you're a villager so much like you're trying to make yourself believe it

but i don't know if i do

also, fwiw, if while both poisoners are alive, if only one target is announced, s/he is a villager 100% of the time. so i don't understand your second paragraph

[lilrascal]

if someone thinks my logic bad, its always because of one of two things. 1) i missed some fact along the way or 2) you missed a fact along the way. the logic holds if my assumptions are right. i might not have explained enough. sometimes i do that hoping/assuming that people will fill in the gaps

the most important stuff of what you quoted is this "i dont like the idea of the poisoner target being public. this costs us all the EV of when both sides poison the same target"

this type of logic helps the village be more +ev going forward. are you helping in the same way? i feel good about my villager status with the village because im helping get us closer to the solution

The second paragraph makes sense, but I didn't get that from your earlier posts.

The bolded underlined part is just odd posting IMO.

[NightGizmo]

if someone thinks my logic bad, its always because of one of two things. 1) i missed some fact along the way or 2) you missed a fact along the way. the logic holds if my assumptions are right. i might not have explained enough. sometimes i do that hoping/assuming that people will fill in the gaps

the most important stuff of what you quoted is this "i dont like the idea of the poisoner target being public. this costs us all the EV of when both sides poison the same target"

this type of logic helps the village be more +ev going forward. are you helping in the same way? i feel good about my villager status with the village because im helping get us closer to the solution

I've had time to think about your poisoner ideas:

1. You're right, we shouldn't try to pick someone for the poisoner to pick. That just eliminates information from the village.
2. Your idea that the village poisoner should try to hit the same person as the wolf poisoner is great in some idealistic world where the village poisoner can figure that out, but awful in the real world where he will be poisoning someone that the wolves find a threat. If he doesn't match the wolves then the village is doubly hurt. It's much better for the poisoner to just try to hunt wolves, same as everyone else.

[Beck Novo]

I've had time to think about your poisoner ideas:

1. You're right, we shouldn't try to pick someone for the poisoner to pick. That just eliminates information from the village.
2. Your idea that the village poisoner should try to hit the same person as the wolf poisoner is great in some idealistic world where the village poisoner can figure that out, but awful in the real world where he will be poisoning someone that the wolves find a threat. If he doesn't match the wolves then the village is doubly hurt. It's much better for the poisoner to just try to hunt wolves, same as everyone else.

IMO, the Poisoner should target slankers so we can force participation.

But that's just me.

[Top Tier Tom]

i feel good about my villager status with the village because im helping get us closer to the solution

[MadMojoMonkey]

Yes, there's more. I am no longer enraged. But I'm thinking Gabe might be a good lynch. People said he's a good villager; he seems like he's struggling to make sense. Doesn't sound sincere at all.

If I find the blood of a villager on my hands, and gabe had a part in the wagon, then I will seriously question gabe. Until then, I'm happy if he's involved and posting freely. He's generally one of the low post count players.

Sincerity is an emotion that gabe reeks of, but it took me a long time to become familiar with it.

Really, my read on gabe right now is: I don't think any of gabe's wolfy plans include starting D1 by engaging the entire village in a battle of wits over mechanics which has the obvious result of poisoning villagers.

It's not quite a villager read, so much as an anti-wolfy read.

if someone thinks my logic bad, its always because of one of two things. 1) i missed some fact along the way or 2) you missed a fact along the way. the logic holds if my assumptions are right.

It's like the scientific process is hard-wired into him, sometimes.

[gabe]

Really, my read on gabe right now is: I don't think any of gabe's wolfy plans include starting D1 by engaging the entire village in a battle of wits over mechanics which has the obvious result of poisoning villagers.

thanks for posting this. to me it seemed obvious, but obviously its not obvious !!

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[wufwugy]

it is a legit read that if gabe looks really wolfy he might not be a wolf.

like baud said a game or so ago, he doesnt show his thought processes. he's also fearless. which can easily turn into posting all sorts of stuff that looks bad while just being villy. i mean, there is one thing i really disliked about what he posted, but it's more like i disagree with his logic, and it's better to avoid calling people wolves for that, which i have been wont to do

[Beck Novo]

If I find the blood of a villager on my hands, and gabe had a part in the wagon, then I will seriously question gabe. Until then, I'm happy if he's involved and posting freely. He's generally one of the low post count players.

He's generally a low volume type of player? Because this directly contradicts what Gizmo said early.

Which of you should I trust?

(I know the answer to this question but I would like your honest opinion in full before I answer.)

[MadMojoMonkey]

He's generally a low volume type of player? Because this directly contradicts what Gizmo said early.

Which of you should I trust?

(I know the answer to this question but I would like your honest opinion in full before I answer.)

Gizmo hasn't played a game in over a year. I keep spreadsheets.

YOU DECIDE!!!!

[Beck Novo]

Gizmo hasn't played a game in over a year. I keep spreadsheets.

YOU DECIDE!!!!

So why might he be dishing out metareads like he has been?

[MadMojoMonkey]

So why might he be dishing out metareads like he has been?

I don't know how to answer this.

I have no meta on him, since I clearly haven't played with him in the past year. I can only speculate as to why he's doing anything.

I don't totally hate a vote on Gizmo, but I need to get some sleep.

Gizmo's snap vote over like 1 misread sentence was generally accepted as villagery, but I can't see why in retrospect. It's not like what he posted was a good read or led a good dialogue in the hunting process.

I need to sleep on it, 'cause that exchange kept my vote off of Gizmo, but I'm losing grasp of why.

[gabe]

He's generally a low volume type of player? Because this directly contradicts what Gizmo said early.

Which of you should I trust?

(I know the answer to this question but I would like your honest opinion in full before I answer.)

gizmo hasnt played in a while. i remember playing a lot with him but i dont even remember my personal reads on him back in the day

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