Russians vs. Americans: A Werewolf Game for October 2015

[Beck Novo]

@Tom/Beck: Idk why you guys are sheeping each other this game, maybe you've already soul read eachother. W/e. Aubrey's a villager though, and the reason is because of her post 416 where she asks MMM what his name is. Thats not fluff, and it shows genuine wolf hunting. She aint a wolf.

What?

Asking a player what their IRL name is genuine wolf hunting? And once she finds out that his name is in fact not Tom, what would she do with that information? Does that make him a wolf? Or a villager? I think you're making up an excuse on her behalf and it does not look good on you. How can you honestly assume that she's an obvious villager based upon only two to three mediocre posts?

And I'm not sheeping Tom. I respect his play and believe he's a villager, but every vote of mine has been supported by original reasoning of my own. It just so happens to be that we're on a similar wavelength.

[Beck Novo]

tuesdays are busy for me so i won't be around much until like an hour or so before EOD, maybe i'll poke my head in just after lunch but no promises

[OngBonga]

Oh right, jkds thinks aubrey is a villager because she asked mojo's IRL name? Do me a favour. JKDS isn't bad enough to think that what he's doing there is effectively hunting villagers. I call bullshit.

[baudib]

ProbablyNotAWolf is subbing in for DSaxton


Please don't talk about substitutions.

[HiFi]

Tell me what you like about Wuf

He has a carefree idgaf attitude that is difficult to fake as a wolf (although it's certainly possible).

[HiFi]

Grrrrrrrr...

[JKDS]

Thats pretty cool

#416
JKDS, talk me through this one before I start mashing keys at you again

Luco is curious, he wants to figure it out

Why is aubrey conf villager jkds? I don't like in her first post that she strongly assumes kami is a villager, and then later votes her.

Ong wants to figure it out

aubrey

Kami dont care

Why's Aubrey villa? Who would you suggest I vote for instead?

How is it genuine wolf hunting? I don't get what you're seeing

Tom wants to figure it out

What?

Asking a player what their IRL name is genuine wolf hunting? And once she finds out that his name is in fact not Tom, what would she do with that information? Does that make him a wolf? Or a villager? I think you're making up an excuse on her behalf and it does not look good on you. How can you honestly assume that she's an obvious villager based upon only two to three mediocre posts?

Woah, Beck is on the offensive, and doesnt care at all

Oh right, jkds thinks aubrey is a villager because she asked mojo's IRL name? Do me a favour. JKDS isn't bad enough to think that what he's doing there is effectively hunting villagers. I call bullshit.

Now ong is on board too.

This is really interesting. Its the same spot as when a PR outs and people either wait and see what happens or immediately get suspicious. Now I just gotta figure out whether wolves are more likely to hear me out or ignore and attack.

Regardless, heres why.

These are posts 407, 408, and 412.

@BATM: reads on anyone but Kami?

Is your policy vote on Kami still just a policy vote?

^ that's a good post by Tom, he makes good points.

I immediately wondered why the fuck TTT just called MMM Tom. I dont know MMM's name, I dont think TTT and MMM have ever talked to each other outside this thread, and MMM didnt say his name in this thread. So how's he know his name?

(mmm, is your name tom?)

Aubrey thought this too. Its the kind of paranoid thought that villagers have.

Lets pretend she was a wolf instead and also somehow saw and made this connection. This little line isnt how it'd go down. Instead, we'd get more along the lines of "OMG, how you know his name is tom, /lynch". Instead, we see her trying to figure out whats going on.

Shes villa.

[BankItDrew]

JKDS, I'll follow your lead on aubs and agree with you.

Who do you find wolfy?

[JKDS]

Rilla and ong so far. Rilla mostly, but I was kinda hoping he'd post some before I woke up. I got a whole list of players I have no clue about though and need to reread specifically them.

[OngBonga]

Yeah ok I'm buying that explanation from jkds.

Can you elaborate on your wolf read on me please so I can duly remind you that you have failed to correctly read me as villager when I'm villager since I can't remember.

[ProbablynotAWolff]

Villas(in no particular order):
Hifi
TTTom
MMMonkey
beck
gabe
ong
BATM

Wolfy:
aubrey
jkds
monkey
kami

I think kami is totally in her wolf range but I wouldn't be shocked if she flips villager.

I think aubrey first post saying there is a wolf on the kami wagon is super wolfy. I think its weird she's pushing those people without even saying anything regarding Kami's alignment. Then later when she call kami villa, if kami actualy flips villa I really think this is a TMI slip. I think aubrey can be a wolf in the world where kami is a villa and in the world where kami is a wolf.

I peeked BATM

I only have 5 posts because of restrictions, I will be following the thread and I will expand upon my reads throughout the day

lynch aubrey

[NightGizmo]

@Tom/Beck: Idk why you guys are sheeping each other this game, maybe you've already soul read eachother. W/e. Aubrey's a villager though, and the reason is because of her post 416 where she asks MMM what his name is. Thats not fluff, and it shows genuine wolf hunting. She aint a wolf.

She was wolf hunting? I thought she was confused about who kami voted for ("tom"), not realizing that there is a "Top Tier Tom" in the game, so for some reason she thought that "tom" might refer to MMM.

[baudib]

Vote count
Kami 4 (Wufwugy, TheBrokenATM, aubreymcfate, NightGizmo)
Aubrey 3 (Beck, Top Tier Tom, ProbablyNotAWolf)
BankItDrew 2 (Hifi, OngBonga)
TopTierTom 2 (Kami, ShipItUp)
Wufwugy 1 (Rilla)
Ongbonga 1 (BankItDrew)

not voting: MadMojoMonkey, Super Monkey Face, lilrascal, Gabe, Luco, Boog, Bigred, JKDS

9 hours 44 mins to EOD

let me know if you spot any mistakes

[NightGizmo]

Baudib, your vote count is off. Luco voted for rilla as his first post. Kami recently voted for Aubrey. Rascal recently voted for drew.

[baudib]

other than that it was correct? oops

[NightGizmo]

Otherwise looks good, yes.

[baudib]

Vote count
Kami 4 (Wufwugy, TheBrokenATM, aubreymcfate, NightGizmo)
Aubreymcfate 4 (Beck, Top Tier Tom, ProbablyNotAWolf, Kami)
BankItDrew 2 (Hifi, OngBonga, lilrascal)
TopTierTom 1 (ShipItUp)
Wufwugy 1 (Rilla)
Ongbonga 1 (BankItDrew)
a500lbgorilla 1 (Luco)
not voting: MadMojoMonkey, Super Monkey Face, Gabe, Boog, Bigred, JKDS

[Top Tier Tom]

I immediately wondered why the fuck TTT just called MMM Tom. I dont know MMM's name, I dont think TTT and MMM have ever talked to each other outside this thread, and MMM didnt say his name in this thread. So how's he know his name?
Aubrey thought this too. Its the kind of paranoid thought that villagers have.

Lets pretend she was a wolf instead and also somehow saw and made this connection. This little line isnt how it'd go down. Instead, we'd get more along the lines of "OMG, how you know his name is tom, /lynch". Instead, we see her trying to figure out whats going on.

Shes villa.

Lol what? I was talking about my own post that had just been quoted

[ProbablynotAWolff]

hifi- I think she was generally excited to play this game with dwatson and I read that as villagy. I think her early posts were good but she has fallen off since then.

Tom- I think he is the person who is trying to figure out the game the most and I have him as my top villa. You could say he is my top tier villa(HAR HAR HAR)

Ong- I like his posts, i think he is being game-solvey

MMMonkey- I really liked his opening where he was analysing hifi's opening. I thought he was really trying to figure out her alignment so he got the villa read.

Beck- I think beck is my number 2 villa. I like his reads and I like where he has put his votes.

Gabe- probably my thinnest of villa reads

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Kami- I hated kami plopping a vote on hifi. Her interactions since then and her willingness to aggressively read the thread as little as possible put her in my wolf list.

supermonkeyface(listed as monkey in first wolf list)- I hated how he plopped in yesterday saying he is going to be afk until today. Then he came back last night saying it was an interesting read, to which I think he meant the thread, but hasnt posted any of his thoughts.

Aubrey- I stated already where i'm at with her.

Shipitup- He is also on my wolf list, i think his vote on tom is terrible because I think tom is actually contributing to the game.

jkds- I disliked his opening and nothing he's done since then has made me want to flip this read

[gabe]

lynch supermonkeyface feels like a good placeholder


something is up with BID

[OngBonga]

I like the new guy and certainly agree with his village reads, although gabe remains null for me.

The aubrey vote is solid and is much more compelling than jkds' reason for thinking she's a villager. I do like jkds' post though, at the very least he's convinced me that he's looking for villagers.

I'm happy with aubrey or drew lynch. I prefer drew, his flip will do more for me, so I'm happy where I am for now.

As for finishing my read up, I'm playing poker. Cry about it.

[baudib]

Spoiler: Show

Helena is Ukrainian, but whatever

[OngBonga]

As for finishing my read up, I'm playing poker. Cry about it.

*correction - was

Way to give myself the kiss of death.

[BooG690]

Depends on wether or not he's vig again hahaha

Wolves: I'm clearly not a poisoner so don't nom me.

Why is BID not on the top of everyone's wolf list? These two quotes have my spidey sense tingling. BID has been consistently inconsistent (from about page 6 onwards).

Lynch BID
For the record, TTT is on the tippity top of my villager list with JKDS at a further second.

[BooG690]

I like the new guy ...

This makes your posts difficult to look back on and know who you're talking about. Just about everyone is new this game.

[Top Tier Tom]

Wondering if I was wrong about Drew and am a sucker for good tone.

I think what JKDS said about Aubrey's question to MMM about his name makes sense. I didn't get the connection before. Now I do. Okay. She's probably a bad vote today.

I don't know who to vote for.

[BooG690]

ShipItUp – peeked v N0

I peeked BATM

Am I missing something here? Coin flip?

[OngBonga]

This makes your posts difficult to look back on and know who you're talking about. Just about everyone is new this game.

That was reference to the sub, probablynotawolf, who from here shall be known as pnaw.

[OngBonga]

Am I missing something here? Coin flip?

Fake peeks are the new thing.

[BooG690]

Fake peeks are the new thing.

You kids and your new-fangled WW strategies. Back in my day...

[NightGizmo]

MMM is still absent.... I'm still waiting for his explanations on why he wanted to bold me but waited, and also why he claimed Gabe is usually has a low post count when Gabe has already posted 37 times on D1.

MMM is highest on my wolf list. Aubrey is second, but a big part of that is because she has so few posts and the few she has seem very off. I really want Kami to die regardless of her actual team, because she's useless. She could be replaced by a bot that spews nonsensical teen-speak and revenge bolds anyone that bolds her -- and nobody would be able to tell the difference. But if there is a better wolfy alternative, obviously I'll move my vote off Kami before the deadline.

Does anyone remember Crazzvette? Kami reminds me of crazzvette.

[baudib]

Vote count
Kami 4 (Wufwugy, TheBrokenATM, aubreymcfate, NightGizmo)
Aubreymcfate 4 (Beck, Top Tier Tom, ProbablyNotAWolf, Kami)
BankItDrew 4 (Hifi, OngBonga, lilrascal, BooG)
TopTierTom 1 (ShipItUp)
Wufwugy 1 (Rilla)
Ongbonga 1 (BankItDrew)
a500lbgorilla 1 (Luco)
SuperMonkeyFace 1 (gabe)
not voting: MadMojoMonkey, Super Monkey Face, Bigred, JKDS

[Top Tier Tom]

Any reason we shouldn't lynch Wufu?

[Luco]

You kids and your new-fangled WW strategies. Back in my day...

Peeks were submitted via telegram, we know

[BankItDrew]

rescind
lynch aubrey

It doesn't seem like anyone wants to lynch ong and my train is building steam so in an act of self-preservation I'll reluctantly vote aubrey.

FWIW though, she's probably a villager and I don't think there is anything to the 'who is Tom?' thing.

[OngBonga]

I think comparing kami to crazvette is harsh. Maybe that's because in my imagination, kami is a cute barely legal manga character with blue hair, while crazvette is an Italian degen dude pretending to be a teenage girl.

[BankItDrew]

Surprise surprise. Boog decides to play and of course he targets me. What else is new? Still stuck in 2005, I see.

[NightGizmo]

Any reason we shouldn't lynch Wufu?

At this point, we'd only really be lynching him for inactivity, unless you have a read from his few posts. I personally think there are better alternatives.

[Top Tier Tom]

rescind
lynch aubrey

It doesn't seem like anyone wants to lynch ong and my train is building steam so in an act of self-preservation I'll reluctantly vote aubrey.

FWIW though, she's probably a villager and I don't think there is anything to the 'who is Tom?' thing.

Bah. This post reads villagery to me, mainly the conclusion. I guess you could be a wolf and say this, but eh. I'm not seeing you as wolfy like the other guys.

We might have v/v/v wagons right now.

Let's switch it up.

Lynch Rilla

[Top Tier Tom]

Not seeing as as wolfy like the other guys who are voting you are *

For clarity.

Drew what's your current read on Ong?

[BankItDrew]

I think comparing kami to crazvette is harsh. Maybe that's because in my imagination, kami is a cute barely legal manga character with blue hair, while crazvette is an Italian degen dude pretending to be a teenage girl.

It's unfair that when I post stupid shit - I get bolded. But when you post stupid shit - you get a pass.

[ShipItUp]

Who is probably not a wolf?

[Top Tier Tom]

Not seeing as as wolfy like the other guys who are voting you are *

For clarity.

Drew what's your current read on Ong?

What I should say is "how has your read on Ong evolved?"

[ShipItUp]

When are ITA's?

[BooG690]

It's unfair that when I post stupid shit - I get bolded. But when you post stupid shit - you get a pass.

Maybe prove yourself to be semi-competent at this game and you'll start getting free passes as well?

[ShipItUp]

These are the only questions relevant to me currently

[BankItDrew]

Not seeing as as wolfy like the other guys who are voting you are *

For clarity.

Drew what's your current read on Ong?

I think he's a mf'ing wolf but no one agrees with me and D1 ends in a handful of hours so...

I have a perfect track record of reading ong for I don't know how many games in a row. Clearly my 'stupid image' is still prevalent in the minds of FTR regs though because they are completely ignoring my success rate. It's very disappointing.

I feel like I won't get any respect from the regs unless I play well but then when I wtfpwn a player for over a year - no one bats an eye.

[BankItDrew]

Maybe prove yourself to be semi-competent at this game and you'll start getting free passes as well?

This is what I'm talking about.

[NightGizmo]

When are ITA's?

You can't be bothered to read the first post by the mod? It has it's own bolded section in his post! You seem to be posting the bare minimum to stay alive and look active, without actually doing anything.

[ShipItUp]

I have more time to post tomorrow, not much, but more.

[OngBonga]

It's unfair that when I post stupid shit - I get bolded. But when you post stupid shit - you get a pass.

That actually was an accurate description of crazvette.

[BankItDrew]

What I should say is "how has your read on Ong evolved?"

I'm more and more convinced he's a wolf after every post.

[ShipItUp]

You can't be bothered to read the first post by the mod? It has it's own bolded section in his post! You seem to be posting the bare minimum to stay alive and look active, without actually doing anything.

Yup, definitely trying to look active. Look at how productive my posts are today, really cracking the game open right now.

And btw you could have just told me the time, not like it would have burdened you anymore then writing this post did.

Unless you were looking at it as a chance to soft push me, in which case well done you nailed it:thumb:.

[NightGizmo]

I have more time to post tomorrow, not much, but more.

Well, take 1 minute and tell us why you're voting for Tom.

[BankItDrew]

That actually was an accurate description of crazvette.

Fascinating avatar description.

Who are your top two wolves? IE other than me.

[ShipItUp]

Well, take 1 minute and tell us why you're voting for Tom.

I already explained it bruh

[NightGizmo]

Yup, definitely trying to look active. Look at how productive my posts are today, really cracking the game open right now.

And btw you could have just told me the time, not like it would have burdened you anymore then writing this post did.

Unless you were looking at it as a chance to soft push me, in which case well done you nailed it:thumb:.

Yes, I'm trying to push you into participating more. Someone that bothers to show up with a few posts sprinkled throughout the day but not actually doing anything -- that seems very wolfy to me.

[gabe]

rescind and lynch shipitup
last game it was easy for him to look villagery but this game there is not even a shred of it

i'm not going to be here much before EOD

[NightGizmo]

I already explained it bruh

No you didn't. You bolded him in a post without explanation.

[Top Tier Tom]

I'm more and more convinced he's a wolf after every post.

No doubt whatsoever? You think everyone should be voting for him then? Why aren't you campaigning for it?

[OngBonga]

Fascinating avatar description.

Who are your top two wolves? IE other than me.

aubrey and rilla.

[BankItDrew]

No doubt whatsoever? You think everyone should be voting for him then? Why aren't you campaigning for it?

I gave up. Self-preservation is more important than a wasted vote at this point in D2. I'll happily try again tomorrow.

Look at it this way:
I campaigned against ong.
I'm the only vote on ong with a few hours left in D2.
I know I'm a villager and I'm on the chopping block late.

Me changing my vote there is the best possible thing I can do right now.

[Top Tier Tom]

I suspect wuf to be a wolf. He lays out slank cover for his play moving forward and in the one post where he actually spent some time working through the thread, he essentially said nothing.

Anyone agree with this right now?

[NightGizmo]

lynch shipitup

Because lying and avoiding participation.

[BankItDrew]

aubrey and rilla.

Aubrey is a wolf more often than kami but I don't see the rilla hate.

I defended him earlier with reasons about 12 hours ago and he hasn't changed my mind since then.

[Top Tier Tom]

if you need a cfd (as fucking stupid as those are), you can kill me. i won't be of much use this game since classes are kicking my butt

Bah. I don't see a wolf making this post

I DONT KNOW WHO TO LYNCH TODAY

[Beck Novo]

rescind
lynch aubrey

It doesn't seem like anyone wants to lynch ong and my train is building steam so in an act of self-preservation I'll reluctantly vote aubrey.

FWIW though, she's probably a villager and I don't think there is anything to the 'who is Tom?' thing.

@Tom, how can you read this as villagery?

Drew, a vote made out of self-preservation almost eight hours before EOD is not a self-preservation vote. If you think she's a villager you need to do some more footwork to find someone else that's wolfy. While I can appreciate your vote it was made for all of the wrong reasons.

[Top Tier Tom]

lynch shipitup

Because lying and avoiding participation.

Didn't you just say you have like 3 strong wolf candidates?

[Top Tier Tom]

@Tom, how can you read this as villagery?

Drew, a vote made out of self-preservation almost eight hours before EOD is not a self-preservation vote. If you think she's a villager you need to do some more footwork to find someone else that's wolfy. While I can appreciate your vote it was made for all of the wrong reasons.

How often do wolves say "I'm probably voting for a villager" in such a matter of fact way?

[BankItDrew]

@Tom, how can you read this as villagery?

Drew, a vote made out of self-preservation almost eight hours before EOD is not a self-preservation vote. If you think she's a villager you need to do some more footwork to find someone else that's wolfy. While I can appreciate your vote it was made for all of the wrong reasons.

Everyone is probably a villager. Do you do math?

[OngBonga]

Aubrey is a wolf more often than kami but I don't see the rilla hate.

I defended him earlier with reasons about 12 hours ago and he hasn't changed my mind since then.

I'll defend rilla from lynch today because there's a chance he's laying low on purpose. If he's a villager, killing him d1 is just doing the wolves a huge favour. But rilla is certainly lacking in whatever it is that makes him such an awesome villager.

[NightGizmo]

Didn't you just say you have like 3 strong wolf candidates?

No, I had two that I felt were wolfy, but those opinions are day 1 weak. MMM I feel pretty strongly about, but with Aubrey -- it's based on her "Kami is a villager" logic, which seems very wrong. She only has 3 posts, so it's very thin.

And ShipItUp's last posts jumped him up past MMM in wolfiness, imo. He just seems so wolfy when he won't even justify his vote and even lies about providing a justification in a previous post.

And I don't feel that Kami is a wolf -- I feel that I don't know what team she is on, but that she is a liability to the villager regardless of her alignment.

[Beck Novo]

Anyone agree with this right now?

Yes, but I don't know how I feel about it coming from rilla. Some serious cognitive dissonance right now, man.

[Beck Novo]

How often do wolves say "I'm probably voting for a villager" in such a matter of fact way?

Not often, true. But it also feels like a cop-out.

Everyone is probably a villager. Do you do math?

Right. So what? Voting for someone who you believe is likely a villager with so much time left until EOD is a cop-out. And I don't care what anyone else says.

[Luco]

I like beck.

Hes absolutely right, drew why would you self pres with over 9 hrs left?