Russians vs. Americans: A Werewolf Game for October 2015

[baudib]

Wuf:
I don't have any trouble reading you. We were V/V in Hoopy and Luco's games and you barely posted and I knew you were a villager. In your last two wolf games I led the lynch on you and correctly found your team due to your D1 shenanigans (and we would have won had Ong not hard-defended BooG all game) and then insta-called out your seer claim as B.S. and POEd your entire team 60 posts into the game. I've also won as many wolf games on FTR as you have (2).

Your reads have been hilariously bad for quite a while, your strongest most consistent "never a wolf" reads have in fact turned out to be wolves. You won this game because Gabe was great and a bunch of people who had never played on this site provided clear outstanding village leadership.

play better.

glgl

[wufwugy]

Wuf:
I don't have any trouble reading you. We were V/V in Hoopy and Luco's games and you barely posted and I knew you were a villager. In your last two wolf games I led the lynch on you and correctly found your team due to your D1 shenanigans (and we would have won had Ong not hard-defended BooG all game) and then insta-called out your seer claim as B.S. and POEd your entire team 60 posts into the game. I've also won as many wolf games on FTR as you have (2).

dude you don't even remember these games correctly. you never led a lynch on me in either game and i was never wolf with ong and boog. nobody in any of the games found any member of my team due to my "shenanigans". in the first game, the other wolves won partly because of my shenanigans (but mostly their rigorous play) and the second game was locked in for village win so much that we were messing around on purpose before d2 even started.

Your reads have been hilariously bad for quite a while, your strongest most consistent "never a wolf" reads have in fact turned out to be wolves.

why is it so hard for you to understand how this game is played? i am NEVER serious that the player is "never a wolf". probabilistically even the best of the best reads by anybody are wrong a high percentage of the time.

you have total disregard for any style that is unlike your own. you can only see the first tree on the edge of an entire forest. i play off how im perceived big time. you act in such a way that shows how naive about the game you are. you denigrate villagers with stupid shit like "kami is spew cleared" when the fact is that nobody here even has any clue what she looks like when she's "spew cleared" in the first place. you completely disregard endgame construction. back when you had never even heard of this game, our villages were winning loads of games through our attention to the macro effects of lynches decisions and play style. all you do is see a villager not lynch a wolf on d1 then scream how bad he is. maybe you're better at winning games in the early game, but if we want the highest probability of winning, it needs to not focus on just trying to win early.

you lol at me for defending aubrey, but the truth is that was one of the best things i could have done in the situation. i knew that doing so would basically put her in my pocket if she's a wolf. you lol at me for my poison picks, but the truth is that it would have been disaster for the village to leave them alive since they were so untethered and hard to pin down.

You won this game because Gabe was great and a bunch of people who had never played on this site provided clear outstanding village leadership.

that was incredibly important. if i had somehow gotten nommed n1 you would have said how badly i play special and if there hadnt been a backup you would have blamed any village loss on me.

play better.

there's a mass of organic tissue between your ears. use it.

[baudib]

Wuf
in varcher you were a wolf with BooG and you got lynched for trying to protect him, I had the key vote in the lynch. Ong hard-defended BooG the entire game.

In the game you were wolves with Luco and Ong, I correctly POEd all three as the most likely wolves literally 60 posts into the game. Your team was in such shit all three of you fake claimed and bussed and I called B.S. on your claim.

Your assertion that I can't read you is simply ludicrous. I haven't been wrong on you for many many games.

No one understands the probabilistic nature of the game more than me, that's why my %s are always like 20%-50% instead of using absolutes.

you have total disregard for any style that is unlike your own. you can only see the first tree on the edge of an entire forest. i play off how im perceived big time. you act in such a way that shows how naive about the game you are. you denigrate villagers with stupid shit like "kami is spew cleared" when the fact is that nobody here even has any clue what she looks like when she's "spew cleared" in the first place. you completely disregard endgame construction. back when you had never even heard of this game, our villages were winning loads of games through our attention to the macro effects of lynches decisions and play style. all you do is see a villager not lynch a wolf on d1 then scream how bad he is. maybe you're better at winning games in the early game, but if we want the highest probability of winning, it needs to not focus on just trying to win early.

This is obviously not true because A. no one plays like me and I have high regard for many people B. the people I have the highest regard for are people like Tom, Gabe, Gator and I can't comprehend their play styles AT ALL.

the mechanics of this game simply provide incredible evidence that at least one of Ship/Kami was a villager, the entire wolf team spews her a villager, she had reasonably good reads and it was terrible for the village to let her die.

that was incredibly important. if i had somehow gotten nommed n1 you would have said how badly i play special and if there hadnt been a backup you would have blamed any village loss on me.

lol no. If you had gotten nommed n1 I would have said it was because you were playing well.

[wufwugy]

Wuf
in varcher you were a wolf with BooG and you got lynched for trying to protect him, I had the key vote in the lynch. Ong hard-defended BooG the entire game.

my lynch was baked into the game from the first ten posts. it was the game after i had rallied to lynch fake angel rascal who turned out to be real angel. people wanted their revenge and it's a damn miracle that i survived d1. rilla was the main driver of my lynch. you were certainly on it. my defense of boog didnt matter whatsoever for my death. i dont even remember defending him other than a terribad vote flip to gabe d1 that saved boog. i knew it was terrible at the time but it had to be done and i was quite surprised that nobody really even much vocalized the fact that i would have never flipped to gabe like that as a villager.

In the game you were wolves with Luco and Ong, I correctly POEd all three as the most likely wolves literally 60 posts into the game.

yeah? and? that shit really does not matter. the amount of times a villager correctly identifies the wolves early yet by the end has a different idea is off the charts.

Your team was in such shit all three of you fake claimed and bussed and I called B.S. on your claim.

we were in such shit because of the mechanics.

This is obviously not true because A. no one plays like me and I have high regard for many people B. the people I have the highest regard for are people like Tom, Gabe, Gator and I can't comprehend their play styles AT ALL.

i get it, you like optical moderates.

the mechanics of this game simply provide incredible evidence that at least one of Ship/Kami was a villager, the entire wolf team spews her a villager, she had reasonably good reads and it was terrible for the village to let her die.

but not everybody knows this. that's the problem. leaving either of them alive would come back and bite the village in the ass in a late game situation where they would revert to lynching one of them due to uncertainty instead of doing what they need to be doing at that time -- boxing the last wolves into a corner they can't get out of.

i see more f3's and f5's than any player on the forum. that's not a brag because the only reason i do is because wolves always think im playing badly. ong is the only player who has actually stated it's bad for wolves to leave me alive. so just take my word for it, f3's and f5's are a total disaster if there is much of any uncertainty left.

this is where the idea that it isnt wrong to lynch villagers early as long as doing so sets up enough certainty in the endgame comes from.

lol no. If you had gotten nommed n1 I would have said it was because you were playing well.

yet that would mean definitively that i was playing badly. specials need to stay alive. i would have thought you would have LOVED my self bold and other shit i did to keep myself unlynchable and unnommable.

the main mistake i made was having very "wuf-like" poison targets. ong figured me out that way, and by the time d3 came around, i was sure my targets had revealed me. i chose to keep them that way because i thought it was better than spewing.

[OngBonga]

No one understands the probabilistic nature of the game more than me...

You're probably right here. But, there's much more to the game than problem solving.

Good luck playing a perfect wolf strategy as wolf, a perfect village strategy as villager, and maintaining balance between the two.