Russians vs. Americans: A Werewolf Game for October 2015

[gabe]

i had so much tension this game since 2 wolves claimed my role and i fought the urge to counter claim for so long. in my head, one of the payoffs to doing this was getting to see the wolf thread and how they squirmed. if i had died day 1 i wouldnt care as much.

mostly i agree with batm. "they lost, we won, who gives a hoot whatever they said in there"

BUT i'm still arguing because i think rilla's side is just straight up wrong. i cant believe how many posts wuf has made that i agree with every word. ive never agreed with wuf so much on a page of a werewolf game, and probably never will again. i could quote 50 of his sentences and add "QFT"

i think the "hide the den" position is wrong. the argument is that there is privileged information in there, that, when shared, hurts the future wolves. there are two problems with this, and they have already been pointed out, but i feel like i also have to type it out

1) it's not actually secret info. 6 regs know everything that went down in there. the rest of us dont
2) anything you want to keep secret in there is NOT ACTUALLY USEFUL.

i wanted to see it for entertainment value. i think most everyone wants to see it for entertainment value. there is only educational value for the most inexperienced of players, of which i see NONE around here

the two wuf points that i would like to endorse :
1) rilla is trying to solve his wolf problem by picking at irrelevant things
2) the wolf thread doesn't actually have any special information. any sweet wolf tactic you created and put in there is, in all likelihood, not unique or special. even if it was, the tactic would/should only be useful for the exact situation/context you applied it in.

[wufwugy]

i cant believe how many posts wuf has made that i agree with every word.

[a500lbgorilla]

i had so much tension this game since 2 wolves claimed my role and i fought the urge to counter claim for so long. in my head, one of the payoffs to doing this was getting to see the wolf thread and how they squirmed. if i had died day 1 i wouldnt care as much.

mostly i agree with batm. "they lost, we won, who gives a hoot whatever they said in there"

BUT i'm still arguing because i think rilla's side is just straight up wrong. i cant believe how many posts wuf has made that i agree with every word. ive never agreed with wuf so much on a page of a werewolf game, and probably never will again. i could quote 50 of his sentences and add "QFT"

i think the "hide the den" position is wrong. the argument is that there is privileged information in there, that, when shared, hurts the future wolves. there are two problems with this, and they have already been pointed out, but i feel like i also have to type it out

1) it's not actually secret info. 6 regs know everything that went down in there. the rest of us dont
2) anything you want to keep secret in there is NOT ACTUALLY USEFUL.

i wanted to see it for entertainment value. i think most everyone wants to see it for entertainment value. there is only educational value for the most inexperienced of players, of which i see NONE around here

the two wuf points that i would like to endorse :
1) rilla is trying to solve his wolf problem by picking at irrelevant things
2) the wolf thread doesn't actually have any special information. any sweet wolf tactic you created and put in there is, in all likelihood, not unique or special. even if it was, the tactic would/should only be useful for the exact situation/context you applied it in.

1) I never said I was solving a problem. The purpose of the Den thread is not for post game decompression. The mere fact that the Den thread will be released alters its use. BID has said as much, Gator has said as much, it's a point that can't be disagreed with.

2) Yeah, it doesn't demand this level of protection because not that much stuff goes on in Den threads and I don't expect that to change. But I'm still an advocate for these things because they improve the health of the wolves.

Also, the counter points have been made by everyone are essentially: but I wanna see it. Your entire position is that you suffered this game and want to be rewarded for it. Luco said, and I agree, the Den thread is pretty much just to alt-f your name through. I think this should change.