Polygamist Werewolf

[BankItDrew]

It's wuf, rascal, gator, rilla.

[lilrascal]

I've been saying level 3 since Gator wasn't here yet. Now, it's at level 4 villager play.

If you don't want to believe me, then lynch me today, but don't let me down D2 because I'm flipping villa 100% of the time.

[BankItDrew]

And what is that Drew?

Wolves didn't pair up until after votes were made against each other.
Once this fuck up was realized, the pairs switched in an attempt to make sense of it all.

[OngBonga]

It's wuf, rascal, gator, rilla.

I doubt that. Too ballsy, it can never work. This is an interesting twist, need to mull this over some.

[lilrascal]

Wolves didn't pair up until after votes were made against each other.
Once this fuck up was realized, the pairs switched in an attempt to make sense of it all.

Drew, really think about this. If the wolves are me, wuf, gator and rilla. Do you honestly believe that we would make that simple and stupid of a mistake?

[BankItDrew]

Drew, really think about this. If the wolves are me, wuf, gator and rilla. Do you honestly believe that we would make that simple and stupid of a mistake?

You're asking me?

[OngBonga]

How did rilla know to pair up with gator?

[lilrascal]

I doubt that. Too ballsy, it can never work. This is an interesting twist, need to mull this over some.

TBH, it caught be off guard when Rilla claimed gator as his partner, so I went with it and when Wuf was willing to get lynched for it I knew that Rilla was right.

The game is solved from my perspective.

[lilrascal]

How did rilla know to pair up with gator?

Idk, you'll have to ask him.

But, I can't wait to read Wolf chat in post game.

[GatorJH]

Wolves didn't pair up until after votes were made against each other.
Once this fuck up was realized, the pairs switched in an attempt to make sense of it all.

You should know that if I were a wolf we would have assigned pairs before posting anything and voting for someone in a "pair" is just FPS.

[OngBonga]

TBH, it caught be off guard when Rilla claimed gator as his partner, so I went with it and when Wuf was willing to get lynched for it I knew that Rilla was right.

The game is solved from my perspective.

Who are the wolves and why?

[BankItDrew]

You should know that if I were a wolf we would have assigned pairs before posting anything and voting for someone in a "pair" is just FPS.

I apologize in advance but no, I shouldn't necessarily know what you do as a wolf. I can't think of a single game where you were wolf. I probably played in many with/vs you but none come to mind.

[GatorJH]

How did rilla know to pair up with gator?

My guess would be process of elimination. He had a pretty good feeling I was a villager. If wuf is a wolf and suddenly got paired with a villager his reaction wouldn't have been what it was. It was a pretty balsy move and furthers my belief that he is at a completely different level in this game than most of us are.

[OngBonga]

This does kinda make some sense, given wuf's posturing. I mean this doesn't look cobbled together as a result of my pressure on wuf/rascal, because wuf has been relaxed about this saying "you'll find out" and whatnot.

I'm interested in rilla's take on this.

[GatorJH]

I apologize in advance but no, I shouldn't necessarily know what you do as a wolf. I can't think of a single game where you were wolf. I probably played in many with/vs you but none come to mind.

Well ask anyone who has been a wolf with me and they will tell you that I always think 2-3 steps ahead and very, very, very rarely make rookie mistakes.

[OngBonga]

rescind

[lilrascal]

Who are the wolves and why?

I'm confident that you are villa, because there's no way you would have defended me earlier today against gabe if you were a wolf.

That leaves 3 teams, which contain the wolves. We need to lynch them in the next 2 lynches.

I doubt it's SMF/BID, but it could be, but it doesn't matter as we can lynch the other two teams win. I think the gabe partners is more likely wolf than the boog partners.

[GatorJH]

I'm confident that you are villa, because there's no way you would have defended me earlier today against gabe if you were a wolf.

That leaves 3 teams, which contain the wolves. We need to lynch them in the next 2 lynches.

I doubt it's SMF/BID, but it could be, but it doesn't matter as we can lynch the other two teams win. I think the gabe partners is more likely wolf than the boog partners.

This. 100%

[OngBonga]

Ok well it seems pretty clear that it's one of two teams...

gabe hoopy keith boog
rilla gator wuf rascal

Lynch one from each group per day, win.

I don't think drew/monkey are wolves.

[GatorJH]

For once I would REALLY like to be alive when the village wins so could we please start with the gabe Hoopy Keith Boog group?

[OngBonga]

Sure, but I'm waiting for rilla before voting again.

[BankItDrew]

Ok well it seems pretty clear that it's one of two teams...

gabe hoopy keith boog
rilla gator wuf rascal

Lynch one from each group per day, win.

I don't think drew/monkey are wolves.

I can get behind this.

[OngBonga]

Alright, I just had a skim through drew's posts. He was defending gabe and attacking boog, so I can only see drew/monkey as wolves with gabe/keith.

I don't think drew/monkey are wolves, but if they are, it's with gabe/keith, and not boog/hoopy.

lynch gabe

If this is village, then I'm hard clearing everyone except rilla gator wuf and rascal.

[OngBonga]

This is messy if the rilla rascal wuf gator group has one village pair and one wolf pair. Very messy indeed. I don't want to think about that.

[OngBonga]

Sure, but I'm waiting for rilla before voting again.

And yes I know I said this then voted ten minutes later or whatever, but I'm going to bed soon and I'm not waiting around for rilla.

[BooG690]

Ong, OOC, why are you looking to bold gabe first. I think the Wuf, Rascal, Gator, Rilla group is a ton wolfier than the one you placed me in.

Rilla, Gator, Wuf and Rascal cannot speak to each other as villagers. To think that they picked up on each other's signs and played along with each other without prior planning is difficult. I think a member of that group should be lynched first. To let them live after this convoluted plan is bad.

[wufwugy]

if the wolves messed up the pairings, it means that gator rascal rilla and i messed them up. we aint born yesterday, that snizz aint happening. also it means that rilla was the one who made the mistake bold. but go back and look at how gator and i have interacted and how rascal and rilla have interacted. i haven't said anything about gator all game except posted that gif at him, yet i bolded and attacked both rilla and rascal. i dont recall seeing any activity between rilla and rascal either. gator and i have played like we are the partners and by recollection rilla and rascal have played as partners.

rilla was my v read numero uno when he claimed gator. then rascal went along, so i figured i'd give it my best shot to sell it. it was only a matter of (short) time that the evidence showing me and rascal can't really be partners would be pointed out, but i figured that was sorta part of rilla's plan.

ultimately i went along with it becaause i dont think a wolf ever names a villager as his partner. that can just come back to bite him in teh ass so hard so often

[wufwugy]

Wolves didn't pair up until after votes were made against each other.
Once this fuck up was realized, the pairs switched in an attempt to make sense of it all.

all ya gotta do is think about that. in what universe would me gator rilla and rascal not know to pair up? so you're saying at no point any of us thought that we should preempt the most obvious thing that was coming, or that when rilla chose to name gator, he didn't think "oh wait but wuf has dropped serious heat on rascal and ive dropped none on rascal, so maybe i should name rascal instead"?

we've been talking about pairings half the game. there is no way in hell a team of the four of us is going to get caught with out pants down

[wufwugy]

also look at my initial defense. i was under the assumption that ong was saying that the other two hypothetical wolves claimed pairs with villagers. this means that i was working under the assumption that the wolves had already preemptively paired up, which means that if im a wolf, i wasn't going to get blindsided since i already would know which wolf i was going to claim for partner, which heavily implies that me and my hypothetical wolf buddies were on the same page.

to get a wolf team out of gator me rilla rascal you have to think that we deliberately paired up rilla/gator and me/rascal. but like i pointed out earlier, all the thread evidence shows that we have played like the real pairs are me/gator and rilla/rascal. which means that we're villagers (or it could be that one pair among us is wolf and the other is not, but that's super unlikely for obvious reasons).

[wufwugy]

the other thing, my claim about how i would play this as a wolf is legit. i gave the strat out because this game format is sort of a one-off and i doubt we'll do it again for a long time.

if im a wolf, im getting two of my wolf buddies to crush me early so that everybody can think that my wagon came way too easily, which would give me and my partner enough v cred to survive the rest of the game. the fact that this hasn't happened and the fact that im telling you this, implies that im not a wolf.

[wufwugy]

You're asking me?

keep in mind that the little mistakes you've made were from just you. even those mistakes would have been avoided if they had to be filtered through three other players (seasoned vets, at that).

somewhere, at some point during the game, one of us says in the den "hay guise so we totes need to figure out which pairs we're claiming right?"

[wufwugy]

How did rilla know to pair up with gator?

the only possible options for my partner were ong or gator. im pretty sure i dropped a bunch of hints (unintentional but i didnt care to avoid any) that i wasn't partners with you. i mean, like when i said that there are only two possible partners left for me to have, i was talking to you iirc. that would tell a player as observant as rilla that gator is my partner.

it could also be that he didn't know who was whose partner and he was baiting to see what happens. gotta be honest, im not sure how i could have handled that if gator and i were wolves and rilla was a villager. a large percentage of the time i probably get defensive and immediately say rilla is lying and therefore a wolf.

[wufwugy]

I'm confident that you are villa, because there's no way you would have defended me earlier today against gabe if you were a wolf.

just curious, are you saying you dont think ong would have done this even if he was a wolf and gabe was not?

[wufwugy]

sorry about being coy btw. i was just saying stuff while waiting for gator.

i dont think it's unreasonable at all for you guys to think that a partnership of me and rascal makes no sense.

[a500lbgorilla]

lynch gabe

[a500lbgorilla]

Polly wants a cracker?

Sometimes showing is better than telling.

[Hoopy]

Alright, I just had a skim through drew's posts. He was defending gabe and attacking boog, so I can only see drew/monkey as wolves with gabe/keith.

I don't think drew/monkey are wolves, but if they are, it's with gabe/keith, and not boog/hoopy.

lynch gabe

If this is village, then I'm hard clearing everyone except rilla gator wuf and rascal.

You've changed your mind Ong, why?

[Hoopy]

wuf and rascal keep saying they've trapped wolves, that doesn't make any sense.

[Hoopy]

I'm seeing wuf/rascal/rilla/Gator working as a block at the moment.

Remember the wolves have to play this game more straight up than normal.

[OngBonga]

Ong, OOC, why are you looking to bold gabe first. I think the Wuf, Rascal, Gator, Rilla group is a ton wolfier than the one you placed me in.

Why not gabe? You were happy with that lynch early on. Do you now think he's a villager?

[OngBonga]

You've changed your mind Ong, why?

I haven't "changed my mind", I've narrowed it down to two teams, and intend to lynch one person from each "team" per day.

You and boog do not seem to like the direction I've taken. That's interesting, especially given boog had such a boner for gabe earlier.

I feel like we're wrapping this up here.

[OngBonga]

Sometimes showing is better than telling.

Indeed. If you're a villager, then I have no issue with your methods.

[Hoopy]

My guess would be process of elimination. He had a pretty good feeling I was a villager. If wuf is a wolf and suddenly got paired with a villager his reaction wouldn't have been what it was. It was a pretty balsy move and furthers my belief that he is at a completely different level in this game than most of us are.

Why would a wolf be paired with a villager in any way?

[OngBonga]

I'm seeing wuf/rascal/rilla/Gator working as a block at the moment.

Remember the wolves have to play this game more straight up than normal.

I'm more than happy to acknowledge this tomorrow, if it goes that far.

[Hoopy]

I haven't "changed my mind", I've narrowed it down to two teams, and intend to lynch one person from each "team" per day.

You and boog do not seem to like the direction I've taken. That's interesting, especially given boog had such a boner for gabe earlier.

I feel like we're wrapping this up here.

Earlier you were absolutely set on lynching wuf/rascal today.

[OngBonga]

Why would a wolf be paired with a villager in any way?

Because gator is on the "rilla fakeclaimed as villa" side of the fence. Rilla, as rascal's buddy, would now know if gator is a wolf or villager when he claims. So from rilla's pov, gator's wolfbro could've ended up as poe'd pair to rilla's village bro. At least until this was all cleared, anyway.

[OngBonga]

Earlier you were absolutely set on lynching wuf/rascal today.

Yeah, that was when I thought they were saying they were partners and I was showing how stupid that was.

Things have changed since then hoopy, have you been reading? I buy the explanation, and even if they've fooled me, they'll pay for it tomorrow.

[OngBonga]

It's hoopy boog gabe keith.

The fact boog wants me to move off gabe and onto wuf/rascal is hugely telling. Why isn't boog considering the merits of this gambit if he had such a sick wolf read on gabe?

[OngBonga]

Because gator is on the "rilla fakeclaimed as villa" side of the fence. Rilla, as rascal's buddy, would now know if gator is a wolf or villager when he claims. So from rilla's pov, gator's wolfbro could've ended up as poe'd pair to rilla's village bro. At least until this was all cleared, anyway.

Bolded should say not. That's a context changing typo if ever I saw one!

[Hoopy]

Because gator is on the "rilla fakeclaimed as villa" side of the fence. Rilla, as rascal's buddy, would now know if gator is a wolf or villager when he claims. So from rilla's pov, gator's wolfbro could've ended up as poe'd pair to rilla's village bro. At least until this was all cleared, anyway.

That makes no sense.

If any wolf tries to fake a pairing with a villager, then the villager should immediately out and win the game assuming this all happens on day 1.

[Hoopy]

Yeah, that was when I thought they were saying they were partners and I was showing how stupid that was.

Things have changed since then hoopy, have you been reading? I buy the explanation, and even if they've fooled me, they'll pay for it tomorrow.

So they're now saying they aren't partners?

What possible reason is there for faking there? It doesn't effect the wolves or help the village.

[Hoopy]

rescind rascal

lynch wuf

[OngBonga]

That makes no sense.

If any wolf tries to fake a pairing with a villager, then the villager should immediately out and win the game assuming this all happens on day 1.

How does the villager know that it's a wolf though?

[OngBonga]

So they're now saying they aren't partners?

What possible reason is there for faking there? It doesn't effect the wolves or help the village.

Um, a reaction test? It's a lot more believable than the idea that rascal and wuf were throwing shit at each other to see who would follow suit. That kind of reaction test is lame. But faking your buddy to see how they react, that's an interesting one.

How would you react if, as a villager, I claimed to be your buddy? Would you think I'm a wolf playing games? Or a villager?

[OngBonga]

So they're now saying they aren't partners?

What possible reason is there for faking there? It doesn't effect the wolves or help the village.

You also seem to be of the mindset that rascal and wuf were faking. Actually it was rilla who was faking, and wuf and rascal let it go until gator showed up. Wuf's comments at me during this time are consistent with that mindset.

[OngBonga]

Throw in that rilla was being mysterious, and this does actually make sense.

[OngBonga]

If it's a huge wolf move to sweep the shit that rascal and wuf's in-fighting has left under the carpet, then it comes undone tomorrow when gabe or whoever flips green.

[Hoopy]

How does the villager know that it's a wolf though?

Because a villager making that play is bad.

Wolf says "my partner is villager A".

Villager A says "hell no my partner is villager B".

Villager B confirms this.

Village lynches A/B then follows up on the wolf next day = WIN.

Lets say Villager C tries the same play (D is his actual partner).

If C picks a villager as his fake pair then it doesn't bother the wolves, A/B then C/D get lynched.

If C picks a wolf then I suppose it could work, but it seems very chancy. The wolves can still get C/D lynched first then win on day 2.

[Hoopy]

I really think that in this setup there is no place for villagers playing any other way than honestly about their pairings.

[OngBonga]

Because a villager making that play is bad.

That's a matter of opinion. I trust rilla with gambits such as this. Look at everything that has happened since. It certainly injected some life into the thread.

[Hoopy]

Um, a reaction test? It's a lot more believable than the idea that rascal and wuf were throwing shit at each other to see who would follow suit. That kind of reaction test is lame. But faking your buddy to see how they react, that's an interesting one.

But Ong your partner/buddy is the one person in the game you are 100% sure on, what use is a reaction test on them?

How would you react if, as a villager, I claimed to be your buddy? Would you think I'm a wolf playing games? Or a villager?

Deny it, out real partner, try to get you lynched.

Again how does villagers faking each other out help the village or hurt the wolves?

[Hoopy]

You also seem to be of the mindset that rascal and wuf were faking. Actually it was rilla who was faking, and wuf and rascal let it go until gator showed up. Wuf's comments at me during this time are consistent with that mindset.

You mean rilla's list post where he eliminates wuf first?

That's a matter of opinion. I trust rilla with gambits such as this. Look at everything that has happened since. It certainly injected some life into the thread.

I will go back and read the thread again to get a fresher take on things.

[OngBonga]

But Ong your partner/buddy is the one person in the game you are 100% sure on, what use is a reaction test on them?

Wut?

The reaction test is from rilla on gator and gator's buddy, and everyone else when it becomes clear something is amiss.

All you're doing here hoopy is demonstrating that your are either incapable or unwilling to see how this can come from a village perspective. Is it incapable, or unwilling?

[OngBonga]

You mean rilla's list post where he eliminates wuf first?

No! It was rilla who faked the buddy by saying he was with gator. wuf knows that's bullshit because wuf is gator's buddy.

[OngBonga]

hoopy is just playing fucking dumb here.

[OngBonga]

wuf went along with rilla's gambit, wuf isn't the one faking here other than going along with someone else's trickery.

This makes sense.

Yes, it can still all be a desperate last move by the wolves to fend off defeat. I haven't dismissed that altogether. But that isn't going to get them two mislynches.

[lilrascal]

hoopy is just playing fucking dumb here.

No, I think we have the 4 wolves exactly in gabe/keith and boog/hoopy.

If hoopy was a villager here, then the game would be locked from his perspective and he'd vote gabe here. Instead the wolves are trying to come up with a plan to get out of this.

[BankItDrew]

I think the chances of wolves scheming this as their 'plan' from the start is more likely than the chances of a villager doing this. I'm not saying it's impossible of rilla but I think it's highly improbable.

I bet if we lynch one of these guys the game is over and a berating of the wolves begins.

[BankItDrew]

No, I think we have the 4 wolves exactly in gabe/keith and boog/hoopy.

If hoopy was a villager here, then the game would be locked from his perspective and he'd vote gabe here. Instead the wolves are trying to come up with a plan to get out of this.

If this is true, I'll be the first to admit that it was a pretty epic strategy.

[Hoopy]

Wut?

The reaction test is from rilla on gator and gator's buddy, and everyone else when it becomes clear something is amiss.

Ok I misinterpreted that part.

All you're doing here hoopy is demonstrating that your are either incapable or unwilling to see how this can come from a village perspective. Is it incapable, or unwilling?

hoopy is just playing fucking dumb here.

I disagree with your logic Ong, that's all there is to it.

[lilrascal]

If this is true, I'll be the first to admit that it was a pretty epic strategy.

It is true and credit goes to Rilla for this. I just went with the flow and when Wuf went along as well and was willing to take the lynch for it, I then knew that Wuf/Gator were villa as well.

[lilrascal]

Hoopy, read my post #667. Vote boog and if he doesn't flip wolf, then vote me tomorrow.

[BooG690]

It's hoopy boog gabe keith.

The fact boog wants me to move off gabe and onto wuf/rascal is hugely telling. Why isn't boog considering the merits of this gambit if he had such a sick wolf read on gabe?

Seriously? Things obviously change. I had a boner for gabe prior to this obvious mistake made by the wolves.

Wuf, why did you wait for Gator to tell the true pairings rather than tell us the pairings yourself? You were getting enough heat yet you kept mum.

[lilrascal]

Hoopy, read my post #667. Vote boog and if he doesn't flip wolf, then vote me tomorrow.

That should say gabe, not boog.

[OngBonga]

If this is a wolf plan, then they've got their act together too late.

hoopy, what you should be doing is going over drew's posts to see if he can be a wolf with gabe/keith on the off chance you're wrong about wuf and co.