How do you know you're a person open to reason?

[a500lbgorilla]

The oilmen produced the oil in the ways that they produced it. They did not produce the keyboard. The oil that was used for the keyboard was acquired, one way or another. If the oilmen gifted or sold the oil, they would have no ownership of what came after. If the oilmen were wrongfully taken from, they would have a case.

If your post represents the logical path you want to take, be prepared to claim that the first biological organism on Earth, billions of years ago, is responsible for you debating on the internet. Do you think this equivocation of causality at every step in the chain is sensible?

I was trying to put those words in your mouth. Ownership becomes a funny thing when people 'touch' the product of your efforts. Does the tomato farmer have any claim to the capriese salad you're eating? Legally, no, but still, by your own words, those tomatoes were his.

edit: PS, I will go there.

PPS, everything you say about the oilman makes the case of the necessity of law.

[wufwugy]

I was trying to put those words in your mouth. Ownership becomes a funny thing when people 'touch' the product of your efforts. Does the tomato farmer have any claim to the capriese salad you're eating? Legally, no, but still, by your own words, those tomatoes were his.

It's only funny if a prerequisite is taken by force. If it's voluntary, it's not funny because it means the oilmen placed a value on their product and them receiving that value from the keyboard maker (usually by payment) represents their contribution. This means the person who uses the oil to create the keyboard has accounted for the ingredient of oil.

PPS, everything you say about the oilman makes the case of the necessity of law.

I haven't argue against effectiveness or even necessity of law.

[a500lbgorilla]

It's only funny if a prerequisite is taken by force. If it's voluntary, it's not funny because it means the oilmen placed a value on their product and them receiving that value from the keyboard maker (usually by payment) represents their contribution. This means the person who uses the oil to create the keyboard has accounted for the ingredient of oil.



I haven't argue against effectiveness or even necessity of law.

How do you place a value on something? What are the mechanics of doing that?

[wufwugy]

How do you place a value on something? What are the mechanics of doing that?

There are theories. Since value is ultimately subjective, one theory is that value can be placed by choice. World economies have performed masterfully when using this theory.