**** Elections thread *****

[Poopadoop]

My question for Wuf is this:

Did you start with the idea that Islam is a bad religion and then go try to find evidence to support this view, or did you start with the idea that it might be good or it might be bad or it might be neither, and go try to find out which it is?

[boost]

My question for Wuf is this:

Did you start with the idea that Islam is a bad religion and then go try to find evidence to support this view, or did you start with the idea that it might be good or it might be bad or it might be neither, and go try to find out which it is?

I'll hop in here if I may.

I started with the idea that Christianity was bad, the crusades the inquisition, etc. I thought we in the west were responsible and to blame for all the trouble in the middle east. Etc.

Then my critical view of religion as a whole lead me to study up on various religions, not just the dominant one in the west. This is where I may differ from wuf-- I think faith based belief systems are a net negative for society at this point in time. It's just that I think faith based belief in certain sets of ideas is more damaging.

Fuck.. I guess I'm sorta jumping into this again...

[wufwugy]

My question for Wuf is this:

Did you start with the idea that Islam is a bad religion and then go try to find evidence to support this view, or did you start with the idea that it might be good or it might be bad or it might be neither, and go try to find out which it is?

I was a vociferous defender of Islam as a peaceful ideology. I didn't know anything about Islam, but I believed the common narrative in the West.

Also, it doesn't bug me to have intellectuals call me a bigot. The intelligentsia has sold its soul to the devil on this issue. The interesting question is why the intelligentsia has done so. My theory is that Islam is so far away and Christianity is close, so the religious oppression many of us have experienced comes from Christianity instead of Islam. Regardless of the explanation for why, the examples that suggest the intelligentsia having sold their soul are staggering.

[Poopadoop]

So given how determined these people are to come and kill all of us infidels, why are they so poor at executing? Why aren't we seeing terrorist attacks on a daily basis, or at least weekly, or at least monthly, in the US? If > 10% of them are radical fanatics who think we should all die (and their own people who aren't radical fanatics should also die), and are happy to lose their own lives to make that happen, then that's at least 600 million terrorists who are completely failing at their purpose in life according to you.

[wufwugy]

So given how determined these people are to come and kill all of us infidels, why are they so poor at executing? Why aren't we seeing terrorist attacks on a daily basis, or at least weekly, or at least monthly, in the US? If > 10% of them are radical fanatics who think we should all die (and their own people who aren't radical fanatics should also die), and are happy to lose their own lives to make that happen, then that's at least 600 million terrorists who are completely failing at their purpose in life according to you.

Attacks are incredibly frequent. There's a meme going around that it's hard to even go one day without a new attack in the name of Muhammad. Also the vast majority of the attacks are on Muslims themselves. Being a Muslim who doesn't follow the way of Muhammad is an even bigger sin than being a non-Muslim. The followers of Muhammad kill them with primacy.

[Poopadoop]

Attacks are incredibly frequent.

In the US? No.

[wufwugy]

In the US? No.

I'm talking worldwide.

Also, keep in mind that the Islamic areas where there are few attacks are ones where they already won the wars and where there are few people that need attacking anymore. Islamism's idea of peace is for every person to be a perfect Muslim like Muhammad was, which would make there no reason to kill them. The antecedent strongholds of Christianity were toppled by the sword wielded by Islamists.

[Poopadoop]

I'm talking worldwide.

And I was asking you about the US. With so many muslims there why aren't attacks much more frequent?

Also, keep in mind that the Islamic areas where there are few attacks are ones where they already won the wars and where there are few people that need attacking anymore.

Patently false. Iran is largely secular; there's very few mosques there and the general population do not follow scripture. Yet they aren't being beheaded or attacked at all.

Turkey is another example. Nominally muslim country where they sell alcohol. Where are all the radicals running around chopping heads?

[MadMojoMonkey]

There's a meme going around that it's hard to even go one day without a new attack in the name of Muhammad.

Well, if there's a meme, then I take it back. Your standards of data are remarkable.


Still, there are terrorist attacks every day and plenty of them come from Muslim people.
News Flash: 1/3 of the worlds people are Muslims, and the associated amount of crime goes along with that.

BTW: American terrorists are white dudes who are characterized as "mentally unstable." Doesn't make them any less of a terrorist in reality, but it makes it hard to compare the stats worldwide when this institutional prejudice is in effect.