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    Explain why you think that.
  2. #2
    You're supposed to be ignoring me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Explain why you think that.
    1. He's assembled the richest cabinet in history. Rich men do not get rich by looking after the needs of the poor or middle class. Expect changes that favor big business over labor (meaning the rich get richer, the middle class continues to shrink, and the poor get poorer). If you make a country wealthier, but all that extra wealth ends up in the hands of the people who are already absurdly rich, how is that good for anyone else?

    2. His economic plan involves cutting taxes on the rich, increasing military spending (which is already greater by far than any other country, doesn't produce anything [besides weapons], and history shows hurts an economy in general), and using corporate welfare to save jobs that are otherwise economically untenable. Who benefits? The rich who pay less taxes, the military industrial complex (i.e., the rich), and corporations (the rich). Some groups of workers also benefit by keeping their modestly-paying jobs, but the overall cost of keeping those jobs falls not on their employers, but on the taxpayers. So let's be clear about all this job creation through corporate welfare. It's not a net benefit to the working class in the US, it's a net loss to them because they are the ones paying for it. It's only a net benefit to corporations.

    Look at the stock market's reaction to this. It's been going up steadily since his election. This is a perfect indicator of how the Trump economy is expected to benefit corporations (i.e, the rich).

    2a. And let's talk about the military spending while we're at it. Why does America, which already spends 3x as much as the next closest country (China) on the military, need to spend more? It's not for 'defense', because there is no credible threat to the U.S. It can only be for power projection (to protect the interests of the rich abroad), to support the MIC (again, the rich), and/or for controlling civil unrest (keeping the poor in line).

    3. His immigration policy, if implemented, would be enormously expensive. Forget the pipe dream about building a wall, just trying to reduce illegal immigration is expensive. My guess is he won't do anything of substance on this front (he certainly has toned down all his 'zomfg immigrants' rhetoric) because cheap labor is good for business - low wages, no labor unions and so basically no rights. Business wants cheap Mexican labor and even cheap labor from Muslim countries. So that whole immigration crackdown thing is not going to happen imo. And who benefits from all the cheap labor? The rich.

    4. What about himself? Well, he's not telling us where his investments are. This would be fine if he sold his businesses to remove the possibility of conflicts of interest, but he's not doing that. He's not even going to put them in a blind trust. Instead he is going to let his kids run them. The same kids who come to his meetings with foreign leaders. This is a clear conflict of interest.

    And he doesn't care! And he doesn't care because he knows that his popularity is based not on what he does, but on what he tells the people. So, if he has a few rallies, and rails on about draining the swamp and locking her up and building the wall, most of his supporters will cheer and continue to support him regardless of what he actually does in reality, because they are desperate and sick of the system and want to believe he will change it. He will make them think he's looking out for their interests by his words while all his actions will be looking out for his own interests and those of the rich.

    And in four years, when all those supporters realise they're no better off with Trump than they were before (and many are worse off), they'll either wake up and realise he's a charlatan and they've been the victims of a giant con, or they'll be too far gone to cast off his spell, and they'll blame immigrants, and coloured people, and ISIS, and the media, and th establishment, and everyone. Except Trump. And they'll vote for him again, and if he wins again it'll be four more years of the same shit.
    Last edited by Poopadoop; 01-05-2017 at 08:02 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    1. He's assembled the richest cabinet in history. Rich men do not get rich by looking after the needs of the poor or middle class. Expect changes that favor big business over labor (meaning the rich get richer, the middle class continues to shrink, and the poor get poorer). If you make a country wealthier, but all that extra wealth ends up in the hands of the people who are already absurdly rich, how is that good for anyone else?

    2. His economic plan involves cutting taxes on the rich, increasing military spending (which is already greater by far than any other country, doesn't produce anything [besides weapons], and history shows hurts an economy in general), and using corporate welfare to save jobs that are otherwise economically untenable. Who benefits? The rich who pay less taxes, the military industrial complex (i.e., the rich), and corporations (the rich). Some groups of workers also benefit by keeping their modestly-paying jobs, but the overall cost of keeping those jobs falls not on their employers, but on the taxpayers. So let's be clear about all this job creation through corporate welfare. It's not a net benefit to the working class in the US, it's a net loss to them because they are the ones paying for it. It's only a net benefit to corporations.

    Look at the stock market's reaction to this. It's been going up steadily since his election. This is a perfect indicator of how the Trump economy is expected to benefit corporations (i.e, the rich).

    2a. And let's talk about the military spending while we're at it. Why does America, which already spends 3x as much as the next closest country (China) on the military, need to spend more? It's not for 'defense', because there is no credible threat to the U.S. It can only be for power projection (to protect the interests of the rich abroad), to support the MIC (again, the rich), and/or for controlling civil unrest (keeping the poor in line).

    3. His immigration policy, if implemented, would be enormously expensive. Forget the pipe dream about building a wall, just trying to reduce illegal immigration is expensive. My guess is he won't do anything of substance on this front (he certainly has toned down all his 'zomfg immigrants' rhetoric) because cheap labor is good for business - low wages, no labor unions and so basically no rights. Business wants cheap Mexican labor and even cheap labor from Muslim countries. So that whole immigration crackdown thing is not going to happen imo. And who benefits from all the cheap labor? The rich.

    4. What about himself? Well, he's not telling us where his investments are. This would be fine if he sold his businesses to remove the possibility of conflicts of interest, but he's not doing that. He's not even going to put them in a blind trust. Instead he is going to let his kids run them. The same kids who come to his meetings with foreign leaders. This is a clear conflict of interest.

    And he doesn't care! And he doesn't care because he knows that his popularity is based not on what he does, but on what he tells the people. So, if he has a few rallies, and rails on about draining the swamp and locking her up and building the wall, most of his supporters will cheer and continue to support him regardless of what he actually does in reality, because they are desperate and sick of the system and want to believe he will change it. He will make them think he's looking out for their interests by his words while all his actions will be looking out for his own interests and those of the rich.

    And in four years, when all those supporters realise they're no better off with Trump than they were before (and many are worse off), they'll either wake up and realise he's a charlatan and they've been the victims of a giant con, or they'll be too far gone to cast off his spell, and they'll blame immigrants, and coloured people, and ISIS, and the media, and th establishment, and everyone. Except Trump. And they'll vote for him again, and if he wins again it'll be four more years of the same shit.
    Thanks for the response. If you find that you have questions regarding any of the elements mentioned here, feel free to ask.

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