**** Elections thread *****

[Poopadoop]

It's not a lie if he believes it.

Uh ok, so if he's completely delusional and ends up starting WWIII it won't be his fault if he believed that N. Korea was about to invade the US with help from the martians.

If he believes it, it doesn't mean he's stupid.

Believing things that aren't true is kinda the definition of stupid. Or are we gonna have alternative definitions now like we have alternative facts?

[JKDS]

"If youre so smart, why arnt you rich" is a direct quote from The Riddler.

[BananaStand]

Uh ok, so if he's completely delusional and ends up starting WWIII it won't be his fault if he believed that N. Korea was about to invade the US with help from the martians.

So he's stubborn over a crowd count....now he's in kahootz with aliens?

You're protesting your sensational hypothesis. There's really no point in debating this.

if you think it's possible he'll start a war over martians, all I can say is that you should wear less tinfoil.

[Poopadoop]

So he's stubborn over a crowd count....now he's in kahootz with aliens?

You're protesting your sensational hypothesis. There's really no point in debating this.

if you think it's possible he'll start a war over martians, all I can say is that you should wear less tinfoil.

The only point I made you can argue with is the one that was a half-joke. And you picked on the joke part as if I really believed it.

Sad.

[BananaStand]

The only point I made you can argue with is the one that was a half-joke. And you picked on the joke part as if I really believed it.

Sad.

It really doesn't matter which point. They're all hypothetical. "what if trump does this, or that, and I don't like it??" that's the extent of the arguments against Trump at this point. All hypothetical. All politically motivated. None of it serving any good in regards to solving problems in this country. Just creating them.

He can't just launch nukes on a whim. He can't just change the constitution because it's convenient. He can't piss off the muslim world any more than it already is. And as far as Mexico goes, it doesn't seem that he can piss them off enough that they stop coming here. So what's all the fuss about anyway?

[CoccoBill]

Since when has it been established that Trump is a billionaire or a successful businessman? I'd think all evidence says otherwise.

[wufwugy]

If he started acting like a decent, grown-up person he would stop getting all the bad press.

He would also lose and be far less effective.

That he has done so much already and yet adversaries still think he's done nothing except be dumb on twitter is testament to how effective his strategy is.

[BananaStand]

He would also lose and be far less effective.

That he has done so much already and yet adversaries still think he's done nothing except be dumb on twitter is testament to how effective his strategy is.

It also proves how weak-sauce irrelevant those adversaries are

[wufwugy]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7551521.html

This just in.
I thought he was just retarded, but it turns out he's dangerously retarded.

This is misdirection to ISIS. They already have a plan. Part of the plan is to misdirect ISIS.

[Poopadoop]

None of it serving any good in regards to solving problems in this country. Just creating them.

"Criticizing the president creates problems." Lol alternative free speech.

He can't piss off the muslim world any more than it already is.

Wanna bet?

And as far as Mexico goes, it doesn't seem that he can piss them off enough that they stop coming here.

Sure. And saying he's an idiot won't make him stop acting like one either.

So what's all the fuss about anyway?

You tell me. You're the one writing posts that are several pages long.

[wufwugy]

He inherited a small fortune from his father and his father's already developed real estate and business network. The guy was given a platform to pay other people to succeed for him and he still went bankrupt multiple times.

http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/

The proportion of successful business ventures to failures is very, very high.

[BananaStand]

The proportion of successful business ventures to failures is very, very high.

Exactly. If your aces get cracked, you're not a bad poker player.

[wufwugy]

How funny is it that a Trump supporters idea of debate is to just tell you to agree with him while completely ignoring the thing he's replying to.

I find it alarming that whenever Trump says something that is clearly against the constitution like wanting to revoke citizenship for flag burning you guys come out of the ground and defend him by saying. He's not THAT stupid, he'll never actually do it. Well what if he actually does do it. The guys idea of diplomacy is calling foreign leaders out on twitter, he wants to "Defeat Isis in 30 days" He's a moron narcissist, and even you will eventually be surprised at how dangerous he can be.

From the beginning this was not our interpretation. It is the interpretation of people who don't support Trump and don't understand Trump regarding what they think people who support Trump interpret him as.

Within hours of Trump saying what he said, leaders in his camp were explaining how it was a troll. The troll was so effective that even though leaders in the Trump camp were telling everybody about it, adversaries still fell for it. We got a wonderful news cycle of the media defending burning the flag. Trump has done this sort of thing over a hundred times since the campaign, and it works every time. Even when I explain on this forum to some others what is actually going on, they just tell me I'm stupid and a shill and they fall for it.

[wufwugy]

Trump is annihilating Obama's legacy. It's absolutely incredible. He has done SO much in his first week to curb stomp the previous 8 years, and guess what, Trump adversaries are barely even talking about it. Trump is teaching a master class in winning right now. He's got all his haters totally oblivious to how he's tearing down everything they fought for, because they're too focused on some silly "impropriety."

Even I am surprised at the extent to which this is happening. I was expecting to see the media go crazy over what has been happening to Obamacare over the last couple weeks, but I'm hearing next to nothing. I've never seen such effective defeat of opposition than I have from Trump. Obamacare is half gone and the writing is on the wall that it will be fully gone soon, and yet the headlines are still bitching about some Trump tweet. It's incredible.

[Poopadoop]

That's right. Everything he does that looks retarded is just a troll. He's playing mind games with ISIS, Nieto, the media, and the American people because he's a master tactician and knows how to get people to give him $10b for nothing. Only his most fervent supporters are clever enough to see it. blah blah blah.

[wufwugy]

That's right. Everything he does that looks retarded is just a troll. He's playing mind games with ISIS, Nieto, the media, and the American people because he's a master tactician and knows how to get people to give him $10b for nothing. Only his most fervent supporters are clever enough to see it. blah blah blah.

You're getting warmer.

[Poopadoop]

You're getting warmer.

And still 2/3 of the country hates him.

[wufwugy]

And still 2/3 of the country hates him.

We'll drag them kicking and screaming over the finish line.

[BananaStand]

Trump is annihilating Obama's legacy. It's absolutely incredible. He has done SO much in his first week to curb stomp the previous 8 years, and guess what, Trump adversaries are barely even talking about it. Trump is teaching a master class in winning right now. He's got all his haters totally oblivious to how he's tearing down everything they fought for, because they're too focused on some silly "impropriety."

Even I am surprised at the extent to which this is happening. I was expecting to see the media go crazy over what has been happening to Obamacare over the last couple weeks, but I'm hearing next to nothing. I've never seen such effective defeat of opposition than I have from Trump. Obamacare is half gone and the writing is on the wall that it will be fully gone soon, and yet the headlines are still bitching about some Trump tweet. It's incredible.

I agree on the point about the media jumping on tweets and crowd counts being part of their strategy to ignore/marginalize any bad news for Obama's legacy.

however, I think you're giving Trump way too much credit here. It's not Trump's fault that Obama was a terrible leader and so many of his "accomplishments" are written in sand. Trump's doing the easy work now, and he's going about it the same way Obama did, with executive action. Someone else could come along 4 or 8 years from now and undo everything you're applauding now.

I'm gonna reserve my cheers until I see him sign something passed by congress.

[Poopadoop]

Is this substantive enough for you?

[wufwugy]

Take a gander at this temporary ban from terrorism-exporting countries.

The MSM thinks they got Trump on this. They frame it as a Muslim ban. They think they're winning this and when they lose it they will be baffled as to why they lost, as usual. Here's why they're losing it:

(1) The ban is temporary. The MSM is playing as if it's permanent. Eventually Trump is going to change his tune and get credit for it.

(2) Most people are afraid of terrorism and despite the framing of "Muslim ban" by the media, the idea of temporary ban on terrorism-exporting countries is legitimate to most people.

(3) Here's the big one. A real big, big one. Trump is using this to bring into his camp the Christian conservative NeverTrump crowd. Millions of them didn't vote for him; in fact they are responsible for him not winning Minnesota. If Trump can keep his coalition and add these values conservatives, he will be far more formidable in 2020 than he was in 2016. How is he winning over these NeverTrump folk with this temporary ban? Because he keeps making statements over and over about how Christians in the Middle East are getting crushed and how he wants to help them. If this is the beginning of a longer strategy of increasing immigration from Middle East Christians as well as securing their regions in the Middle East (it is), Trump will gain a tremendous amount of support from American Christians who don't like him.


The MSM is making many mistakes here. Trump has put them in a position where they defend Muslims while he defends Christians. You can't win in America with their strategy. The MSM framing it as "Muslim ban" is EXACTLY what Trump wanted to happen.

[wufwugy]

Is this substantive enough for you?

Washington State is the shitlib capital of the world. Trust me.

[wufwugy]

I agree on the point about the media jumping on tweets and crowd counts being part of their strategy to ignore/marginalize any bad news for Obama's legacy.

The MSM is unable to focus because they're getting played so hard.

however, I think you're giving Trump way too much credit here. It's not Trump's fault that Obama was a terrible leader and so many of his "accomplishments" are written in sand. Trump's doing the easy work now, and he's going about it the same way Obama did, with executive action. Someone else could come along 4 or 8 years from now and undo everything you're applauding now.

I'm gonna reserve my cheers until I see him sign something passed by congress.

It's certainly not near finished. The pace at which things are getting done is staggering.

[wufwugy]

Apparently it's an even more extreme walloping than I thought. The crybullies are attacking Christians over this. They hand Trump his victories on silver platters.

[BananaStand]

Is this substantive enough for you?

Not really. All I see there is another anti-trump rant. using big words and superlatives to make Trump sound like a devil.

As if he implemented this ban out of pure sadistic cruelty.

Typical leftist whining here. Not much more.

No one said that an immigration ban would be convenient. No one said, "it will only affect the bad people".

But Trump ran on it, and he won. That means it's what people here want. Seattle doesn't get to say "well we don't like it, so it shouldn't apply to us". I'm all for states rights and fewer federal powers, but enforcing the border is Fed territory, and Seattle can shut the fuck up.

[BananaStand]

To anyone who disagrees with aggressive immigration policies.....

Can you tell me how Japan conquered the Phillipines?

[Poopadoop]

Not really. All I see there is another anti-trump rant. using big words and superlatives to make Trump sound like a devil.

As if he implemented this ban out of pure sadistic cruelty.

Typical leftist whining here. Not much more.

No one said that an immigration ban would be convenient. No one said, "it will only affect the bad people".

But Trump ran on it, and he won. That means it's what people here want. Seattle doesn't get to say "well we don't like it, so it shouldn't apply to us". I'm all for states rights and fewer federal powers, but enforcing the border is Fed territory, and Seattle can shut the fuck up.

Pretty sure Trump hasn't suspended the 1st amendment (yet). So sorry, but you can't tell someone they have to shut up 'cause they disagree with his way of doing things and aren't polite about saying it.

[Poopadoop]

To anyone who disagrees with aggressive immigration policies.....

Can you tell me how Japan conquered the Phillipines?

I know the story that's in the history books, but I'm pretty sure your version is much more interesting. Do tell.

[BananaStand]

I know the story that's in the history books, but I'm pretty sure your version is much more interesting. Do tell.

The sent operatives, posing as immigrants, over the course of years and years until it came time to strike. Japanese would immigrate, live, work, and go to school until they got the signal. Then they turned to their neighbors and said "news flash, I'm actually here to kill you. *stab* you're dead"

[BananaStand]

Pretty sure Trump hasn't suspended the 1st amendment (yet). So sorry, but you can't tell someone they have to shut up 'cause they disagree with his way of doing things and aren't polite about saying it.

Typical liberal nitpicking man. You get to pick and choose when you take things literally and when you don't. Trump's an idiot for citing "locker room talk" when he wasn't physically in a locker room, but Obama's red line with Syria is open to interpretation.

Fine, I should have used the phrase "too bad so sad, but Gov can stand there and rant like a lunatic all he wants"

Pretty lazy and immature strawman argument to suddenly suggest I'm proposing we eliminate free speech.

[Poopadoop]

The sent operatives, posing as immigrants, over the course of years and years until it came time to strike. Japanese would immigrate, live, work, and go to school until they got the signal. Then they turned to their neighbors and said "news flash, I'm actually here to kill you. *stab* you're dead"

Better ban them too then.

[Poopadoop]

Typical liberal nitpicking man. You get to pick and choose when you take things literally and when you don't. Trump's an idiot for citing "locker room talk" when he wasn't physically in a locker room, but Obama's red line with Syria is open to interpretation.

Fine, I should have used the phrase "too bad so sad, but Gov can stand there and rant like a lunatic all he wants"

Pretty lazy and immature strawman argument to suddenly suggest I'm proposing we eliminate free speech.

Didn't Bannon tell the media to shut up too? It just sounded like you were echoing the administration to me. General intolerance of criticism, starting from the top.

[BananaStand]

Didn't Bannon tell the media to shut up too?

Probably, I didn't see it. But I believe you. Not sure what that has to do with me though. I don't know Steve Bannon. I don't speak for him.

It just sounded like you were echoing the administration to me.

Why would I do that?

[oskar]

From the beginning this was not our interpretation. It is the interpretation of people who don't support Trump and don't understand Trump regarding what they think people who support Trump interpret him as.

Within hours of Trump saying what he said, leaders in his camp were explaining how it was a troll. The troll was so effective that even though leaders in the Trump camp were telling everybody about it, adversaries still fell for it. We got a wonderful news cycle of the media defending burning the flag. Trump has done this sort of thing over a hundred times since the campaign, and it works every time. Even when I explain on this forum to some others what is actually going on, they just tell me I'm stupid and a shill and they fall for it.

What a genius. I'll just wait 12 months until I weight in on this again because right now it seems like he could take a shit on the floor in the oval office and you'd find a way to spin it as a positive.

[Poopadoop]

Why would I do that?

Dunno. You seem pretty bent on defending Trump from any and all criticism, to the point of getting quite irate with anyone who thinks otherwise. That's why I guess.

[oskar]

The sent operatives, posing as immigrants, over the course of years and years until it came time to strike. Japanese would immigrate, live, work, and go to school until they got the signal. Then they turned to their neighbors and said "news flash, I'm actually here to kill you. *stab* you're dead"

You don't have the faintest idea what it takes for a Lybian or an Iranian to even get a work visa, let alone migrate. Not only that, but if this was about terrorism, they'd have to ban the UAE not Lybia. The more likely explanation is that your president is not qualified for the job he has been assigned to.

[Poopadoop]

What a genius. I'll just wait 12 months until I weight in on this again because right now it seems like he could take a shit on the floor in the oval office and you'd find a way to spin it as a positive.

It's a bold move, taking a shit in the oval office floor. No-one expects a president to do that, and they think he's maybe mentally ill. Then he surprises them by getting Nieto to hand over a $10b check, and signs it with said shit. It's pure symbolism in its highest form, not even Shakespeare could match it. This is the kind of genius we're dealing with here - you guys just don't see it because the media has brainwashed you into thinking when he does something retarded it's actually because he's an idiot and not just part of his master plan for maga.

[BananaStand]

Dunno. You seem pretty bent on defending Trump from any and all criticism, to the point of getting quite irate with anyone who thinks otherwise. That's why I guess.

As I said earlier, I don't consider myself a "Trump supporter". Scroll up a little, I don't agree with the guy's whole playbook.

I don't know about "any and all criticism". But I definitely think the guy is getting more right than he is wrong.

I also think the majority of that criticism is frivolous, naive, or both. And that makes me irate.

Trump wouldn't be president if he didn't campaign as a radical character. He didn't really have a choice on how to play his hand. The media, and the vehement Trump detractors, did have a choice. They could be patient and open minded or they could be pricks. They've chosen to be pricks.

[BananaStand]

You don't have the faintest idea what it takes for a Lybian or an Iranian to even get a work visa, let alone migrate. Not only that, but if this was about terrorism, they'd have to ban the UAE not Lybia. The more likely explanation is that your president is not qualified for the job he has been assigned to.

Put on your TV right now, tune to any cable news channel you wish. I promise, within 15 minutes you'll see someone say "why not Saudi Arabia, why not Pakistan?"

Does anyone think that those people would be all for the policy if those countries were added to the list?

Would your opinion do a 180 if UAE was on the list?

You can rail against me for not empathizing with the plight of the Iranian immigrant, but don't pretend like you know more about foreign policy, middle east diplomacy, or national security than the people who wrote and implemented this policy.

[Poopadoop]

I also think the majority of that criticism is frivolous, naive, or both. And that makes me irate.

If the criticisms are so frivolous then why respond to them at all? Surely you have more important things to do.

Actually I guess one could say the same thing to Trump...

[Poopadoop]

Put on your TV right now, tune to any cable news channel you wish. I promise, within 15 minutes you'll see someone say "why not Saudi Arabia, why not Pakistan?"

Does anyone think that those people would be all for the policy if those countries were added to the list?

Would your opinion do a 180 if UAE was on the list?

You can rail against me for not empathizing with the plight of the Iranian immigrant, but don't pretend like you know more about foreign policy, middle east diplomacy, or national security than the people who wrote and implemented this policy.

It's got very little to do with terrorism, since many muslim countries aren't on the list. And of the ones that are on the list, Iran is an odd choice for stopping terror, since no Iranian has ever been convicted of terror afaik.

The countries that didn't make the list, like S.A. and Pakistan, also happen to be US allies. So really, who knows wtf is going on.

[BananaStand]

So really, who knows wtf is going on.

Elected officials and their appointees.

Preibus stated that the countries were selected based on recommendations from the last Congress and the Obama administration. Those were the countries Barry identified as being "problems".

[BananaStand]

It's got very little to do with terrorism, since many muslim countries aren't on the list.

Are you saying that a policy to target terrorism, would target ALL muslim countries? Are you equating Terrorism and Islam?

[Poopadoop]

Are you saying that a policy to target terrorism, would target ALL muslim countries? Are you equating Terrorism and Islam?

Wasn't that the idea behind the whole 'muslim ban'/'muslim registry' thing? Or he is against Islam for some other reason?

[BananaStand]

Wasn't that the idea behind the whole 'muslim ban'/'muslim registry' thing? Or he is against Islam for some other reason?

So because it's temporary, it's not a ban, it's a moratorium. And it's delineated by country, not religion. The countries were picked by Obama. No one in the current or past administration is using the term "muslim ban". That would be literally incorrect.

Various national intelligence agencies are unable to say that they have the ability to properly vet refugees from certain parts of the world.

Saudi Arabia isn't on the list because they have a centralized government. If someone wants to come here, we can call up S.A. and ask them what's up. We can't do that with Syria, or Yemen. So we have to come up with something better. Announcing it, and then saying "we'll implement it when we figure it out" just invites a glut of refugee and, potentially, terrorist immigration.

If you have a problem with your pipes, your plumber will turn the water off while he fixes it. You won't be able to do dishes or take a shower. But you can either accept that temporary inconvenience, or you can live your whole life with leaky pipes. Which would you choose? How is this different?

[wufwugy]

What a genius. I'll just wait 12 months until I weight in on this again because right now it seems like he could take a shit on the floor in the oval office and you'd find a way to spin it as a positive.

It would be very bad. And hilarious.

[wufwugy]

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1565322...nd-immigration

The ability to take Trump to task for bad policy would greatly improve if the idea that he's a dumb dumb would hit the curb.

[Poopadoop]

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1565322...nd-immigration

The ability to take Trump to task for bad policy would greatly improve if the idea that he's a dumb dumb would hit the curb.

You know one guy who could do a lot to change that perception?

[wufwugy]

What does that have to do with falling for it?

[Poopadoop]

What does that have to do with falling for it?

Falling for what?

You know that whole negotiation strategy thing of starting high was around long before Trump right?

Also, for a master persuader, he's sure having a hard time convincing most of the country they don't hate him.

I remember back when you/Dilbert were saying he was going to start acting presidential sometime during the election. First debate? nope. Second, third? Still nope. And we're still waiting for that to happen. (and ya, I know you think he's doing godlike work etc. etc.).

[wufwugy]

Falling for what?

The criticism is that because he sounds dumb, he is dumb. It has been shown that he is not dumb even though he sounds dumb.

You know that whole negotiation strategy thing of starting high was around long before Trump right?

Which is why it confuses me when people don't consider that a guy who wrote a book on it is somehow not doing it.

Also, for a master persuader, he's sure having a hard time convincing most of the country they don't hate him.

The country likes him. Illegals and shitlibs don't.

I remember back when you/Dilbert were saying he was going to start acting presidential sometime during the election. First debate? nope. Second, third? Still nope. And we're still waiting for that to happen. (and ya, I know you think he's doing godlike work etc. etc.).

He has moderated vastly.

[Savy]

The country liked Hillary more and no one likes her. Trump just has a really vocal group of supporters.

[OngBonga]

Believing things that aren't true is kinda the definition of stupid.

Nope.

Stupidity is a lack of intelligence, not a lack of knowledge. The word you're defining is "ignorant", which does not mean the same as "stupid".

For example, let's assume I'm having a conversation with somebody. I ask him what 12*12 is, he thinks about it, and says he doesn't know. We then have a discussion about 9/11, which I think is a crock of shit, but let's say he thinks what we're told is the truth. Let's also assume I'm wrong. Well, I might be able to tell you immediately what 12*12 is, but I'm stupider than the fuckwit who got it wrong because he was right about 9/11. Is that how intelligence works? No, it's not.

We all believe things that aren't true. We just haven't yet realised that we're wrong. If someone believes something that is untrue as a consequence of being unable to comprehend the evidence proving them wrong, well then we can talk about stupidity.

[OngBonga]

And still 2/3 of the country hates him.

Well that's quite a swing from November.

[Poopadoop]

Well that's quite a swing from November.

A fair no. of people who voted for him hated him, they just hated Hillary more..

[Poopadoop]

Nope.

Stupidity is a lack of intelligence, not a lack of knowledge. The word you're defining is "ignorant", which does not mean the same as "stupid".

For example, let's assume I'm having a conversation with somebody. I ask him what 12*12 is, he thinks about it, and says he doesn't know. We then have a discussion about 9/11, which I think is a crock of shit, but let's say he thinks what we're told is the truth. Let's also assume I'm wrong. Well, I might be able to tell you immediately what 12*12 is, but I'm stupider than the fuckwit who got it wrong because he was right about 9/11. Is that how intelligence works? No, it's not.

We all believe things that aren't true. We just haven't yet realised that we're wrong. If someone believes something that is untrue as a consequence of being unable to comprehend the evidence proving them wrong, well then we can talk about stupidity.

Lol, troll.

[OngBonga]

I gotta stop hitting "edit post" instead of "reply with quote"

[Poopadoop]

Which is why it confuses me when people don't consider that a guy who wrote a book on it is somehow not doing it.

These aren't things you persuade people about by making outrageous statements/actions and then moderating them. If your endgame is to convince everyone (e.g.) abortion is bad and should be illegal, you're not going to get everyone to think that by starting out saying 'death penalty to abortion doctors!'. You'll just make them think you're a radical fuckwit, and once you say/do enough radical fuckwit things, they'll stop listening to you at all. That's not persuading people of anything. If Trump thinks that it is, well good luck to him.

[OngBonga]

Lol, troll.

If you think this, then by your own definition, you are stupid.

[Savy]

I gotta stop hitting "edit post" instead of "reply with quote"

Ong is controlling the FTR media, conspiracy confirmed.

[Poopadoop]

I gotta stop hitting "edit post" instead of "reply with quote"

...or just edit what other people say so you can point out where they're wrong. Mod powers ftw.

[Poopadoop]

If you think this, then by your own definition, you are stupid.

Believing true things makes one stupid? I think we're on the brink of another Ongdentity here.

[Poopadoop]

Ong is controlling the FTR media,

...and the chip in my head. No wonder I have such an urge to smoke weed.

[wufwugy]

These aren't things you persuade people about by making outrageous statements/actions and then moderating them. If your endgame is to convince everyone (e.g.) abortion is bad and should be illegal, you're not going to get everyone to think that by starting out saying 'death penalty to abortion doctors!'. You'll just make them think you're a radical fuckwit, and once you say/do enough radical fuckwit things, they'll stop listening to you at all. That's not persuading people of anything. If Trump thinks that it is, well good luck to him.

Totally true, if willy nilly.

[Poopadoop]

The country likes him. Illegals and shitlibs don't.

Don't forget the fake polls. They don't like him either.

[wufwugy]

Don't forget the fake polls. They don't like him either.

nottheonion

[Poopadoop]

nottheonion

Is that pizza code or something? Hey, I'm not interested ok?

[OngBonga]

Believing true things makes one stupid? I think we're on the brink of another Ongdentity here.

Here's an example. I live in Kidderminster, which is in the county of Worcestershie. 6 miles away is a village called Kinver. A week ago, if you asked me what county Kinver is in, I'd have said probably Worcs, but perhaps West Midlands, or maybe even Shropshire, since we're close to both borders. Well, it's in Staffordshire. I had no fucking idea until recently that we are 6 miles away from the Staffordshire border. Look on a map, and you'll see how there is a tiny bit of Staffs that comes as far south as the Worcs - West Mids border. It's easy to assume Staffs is north of Wolverhampton.

So, by your logic, a week ago I was stupid, but now I am not.

[Poopadoop]

Here's an example. I live in Kidderminster, which is in the county of Worcestershie. 6 miles away is a village called Kinver. A week ago, if you asked me what county Kinver is in, I'd have said probably Worcs, but perhaps West Midlands, or maybe eve Shropshire. Well, it's in Staffordshire. I had no fucking idea until recently that we are 6 miles away from the Staffordshire border. Look on a map, and you'll see how there is a tiny bit of Staffs that comes as far south as the Worcs - West Mids border. It's easy to assume Staffs is north of Wolverhampton.

So, by your logic, a week ago I was stupid, but now I am not.

No, you're still stupid. Just slightly less so than a week ago.

[Poopadoop]

Actually though Ong you're right (and so smart). The word I should have used is 'ignorant'. Thanks for pointing that out to me with a lengthy set of examples.

[Savy]

I agree with Ong in this argument but his examples do make it very hard to keep track of what point he was ever trying to make in the first place.

At least we all learnt that Kinver is in Staffordshire.

[OngBonga]

I hope one day you win a pub quiz thanks to that nugget.

[Poopadoop]

I can only imagine the intellectual giant who makes that a question on a pub quiz. Might as well ask what the capital of South Dakota is.

[wufwugy]

brit shitlibs on suicide watch

http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-ma...snt-sf-twitter

[OngBonga]

I can only imagine the intellectual giant who makes that a question on a pub quiz. Might as well ask what the capital of South Dakota is.

Or you could go around asking people which state Kansas City is in, then when they say "Kansas", call them stupid.