*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[wufwugy]

These sentiments exist within Trump. Denying that, wuf, is positively silly.

Where are the examples?

[BananaStand]

Where are the examples?

Dude....come on. It's true for pretty much anyone who is about Trump's age. People who grew up before the civil rights act just have looser tongues.

"Ms Housekeeping" is a fine example. That' just not something you say if you're being sensitive to the challenges faced by a hispanic woman in the United States. It's denigrating to the accomplishments that particular hispanic woman has achieved. But at the same time...it's only slightly so. And I think it's pretty much excusable. I don't think appropriating stereotypes for humorous purposes is the same as hate-speech. I don't think that making that joke means that Trump has an active agenda against hispanic women. It just shows that he's insensitive and vulgar.....like most of his peers.

Furthermore, "grab her by the pussy" is not something you say if you don't have at least *some* tendency to objectify women. However, I'm smart enough to see that there is obviously a difference in the types of women Trump chooses to objectify. Accomplished women, with confidence, dignity, and resumes, are treated like people. Airhead bimbos who present themselves as objects, get treated like objects. That's not sexism, it's just vulgar behavior.

[wufwugy]

"Ms Housekeeping"

Keep in mind the only evidence that he said that is that somebody claimed he said it. So, this isn't really an example of something about Trump.

If he did say it, how in the world do you know it is because of some deep stereotyping sentiment? It couldn't be that the pagent lady was shirking her duties and staying at home?

People need to get the fuck out of here with this noise. The most famous person in the world has been widely labeled racist and sexist based on things people are making up in their minds.

"grab her by the pussy"

It's like nobody even listens to what is actually said and compares it to actual reality of their own lives. Trump said NOTHING inappropriate here. Go look at what he actually said. He said something that most people have said and something that is totally true. There was absolutely nothing objectifying of women in that.

Hint: he said that when you're a star you can grab a woman by the pussy and she likes it. It's true, and I've come across virtually nobody who doesn't think it's true. The statement is blunt, and if you're in the xtian moral mindset it's vulgar. But it is not remotely wrong or sexist.

If the topic was Gene Simmons, everybody would say yeah duh ofc he's so goddamn famous he can grab her by the pussy and she'd like it (people already say things like that about big stars), but nope, not when it's a Republican running for office. If he says something true, apparently it means he's a bigot.

[Poopadoop]

He said something that most people have said and something that is totally true. There was absolutely nothing objectifying of women in that.

Hint: he said that when you're a star you can grab a woman by the pussy and she likes it.

Whoaaa, back up.

Go and ask ten random women if they agree with this and don't find it offensive i'll bet 10/10 respond with something along the lines of 'are you out of your mind?'

[wufwugy]

Only Rosie

[Poopadoop]

If he did say it, how in the world do you know it is because of some deep stereotyping sentiment? It couldn't be that the pagent lady was shirking her duties and staying at home?

You're treading into Kellyanne Conway truth-spinning here.

A better question to ask is if you do say this, how can it NOT be construed as racist?

[wufwugy]

A better question to ask is if you do say this, how can it NOT be construed as racist?

Because insulting somebody you personally know in a way that can be correlated with something related to race is not evidence of racism? The hilarious thing is that even on this board there is debate about whether it is racist or sexist? Which is it? Which prejudicial label du jour are we gonna pull out of our asses to explain something on which we have low information?

Rigor is great.

[BananaStand]

A better question to ask is if you do say this, how can it NOT be construed as racist?

Because appropriating stereotypes for humorous purposes is not racist. It may be vulgar. It may be insensitive. It may be uncouth. But it is certainly not convincing evidence of a predisposition of hatred, or perception of inferiority, toward any particular race or group of people.

It's clear that minorities in this country are struggling. And if you're very sensitive to that struggle, then you don't say things that perpetuate, or cultivate negative racial stereotypes. If you're less sensitive to that struggle, then maybe you take liberties and crack a few jokes. And while both viewpoints are probably perfectly acceptable in the day to day discourse of the average person, one of those viewpoints is strongly preferred for someone who aims to be POTUS.

We can split hairs about the Ms Housekeeping comment. What did he mean? Who did he say it to? etc etc etc. Or we could move on from that and talk about how he stereotyped the "so-called judge" who was to preside over some lawsuit that I've already forgotten. Trump presumed that the guy was Mexican just because he had a spanish sounding last name.

He actually stood in front of a crowd of people and claimed that this judge couldn't be fair because he has an ethnic lineage that clashes with Trump's aggressive immigration policies. And he didn't even know the guy...

And maybe you've got a dozen 3-d chess related excuses for that one. If so, we can move on to the next incident. The point is there are TOO MANY incidents for them all to be completely innocent.

Yes, I agree that there is more than just a liberal-bias in the media. There is an active agenda to destroy the man and remove him from office. Part of that agenda is blowing up minor misunderstandings into sensational scandals. But it can't be ALL lies.

[wufwugy]

It's clear that minorities in this country are struggling.

It is? Jews are struggling? Filipinos? Chinese? Irish? Italians?

No, the struggling groups are those that have been targeted by race-baiters who trade welfare and victimology for votes.

[BananaStand]

It is? Jews are struggling? Filipinos? Chinese? Irish? Italians?

No, the struggling groups are those that have been targeted by race-baiters who trade welfare and victimology for votes.

So then we agree, these groups are clearly struggling. The root cause of that struggle is a topic for another thread.

My only point here is that you would have to be delusional to deny that black and latino populations are dis-proportionally affected by poverty. So taunting one of them for having a menial job is kinda mean.

[Poopadoop]

Because appropriating stereotypes for humorous purposes is not racist.

It absolutely is. It's just not on the same level as (say) firing someone for being hispanic or kicking them in the shin for being hispanic.

[OngBonga]

It absolutely is. It's just not on the same level as (say) firing someone for being hispanic or kicking them in the shin for being hispanic.

Nope. This just goes to show how much the term "racism" has been diluted over the years. People don't even know what it means anymore.

Key word - "superior".