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I'm grunching a bit here, but regarding MMM's question about Russia's motives to make contact with the Trump campaign:

Their motives are chaos. If they can get the Trump team in a room with Russian operatives, it doesn't matter if there is actual collusion or not, the appearance alone will cause absolute havoc. The thing is, the Russians hedged with bread crumbs leading to Clinton as well. And even better, Trump's ties to Russia and the Clinton's past dealings with Trump (however limited) are enough to spin conspiratorial stories about Trump being a stooge meant to weaken the Republican's primary candidates, and if he wins the primary against all odds, he's and easy knock down for Clinton. They just happened to hit the jackpot with Trump winning the general too.

I think this is the most plausible story about the Russians involvement. They sewed the seeds of chaos, and here they are reaping their harvest. If the Trump team did in fact open themselves up to legal jeopardy via collusion, great-- if not, there's still enough to cause an investigation. With an investigation, even if there is no guilt, it necessarily has to dig deep, which means any dirt that is there could be found. This explains an innocent, with regards to Russian collusion, Trump committing obstruction, further feeding the chaos.

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I'm grunching a bit here, but regarding MMM's question about Russia's motives to make contact with the Trump campaign:

Their motives are chaos. If they can get the Trump team in a room with Russian operatives, it doesn't matter if there is actual collusion or not, the appearance alone will cause absolute havoc. The thing is, the Russians hedged with bread crumbs leading to Clinton as well. And even better, Trump's ties to Russia and the Clinton's past dealings with Trump (however limited) are enough to spin conspiratorial stories about Trump being a stooge meant to weaken the Republican's primary candidates, and if he wins the primary against all odds, he's and easy knock down for Clinton. They just happened to hit the jackpot with Trump winning the general too.

I think this is the most plausible story about the Russians involvement. They sewed the seeds of chaos, and here they are reaping their harvest. If the Trump team did in fact open themselves up to legal jeopardy via collusion, great-- if not, there's still enough to cause an investigation. With an investigation, even if there is no guilt, it necessarily has to dig deep, which means any dirt that is there could be found. This explains an innocent, with regards to Russian collusion, Trump committing obstruction, further feeding the chaos.

What is the evidence of Trump colluding with Russia?

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What is the evidence of Trump colluding with Russia?

This question makes me think you misread or misunderstood my post. The theory at the root of my post does not hinge on whether or not there is evidence of Trump's collusion.

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I think this is the most plausible story about the Russians involvement. They sewed the seeds of chaos, and here they are reaping their harvest.

You're giving the the Russians way too much credit here.

Yes, they sought to cultivate chaos. But, they did it all with the assumption that Clinton would win. The chaos was meant to be a distraction/annoyance to Clinton. Who knows what the endgame there was, but I assume it was something like "Clinton fights back with sanctions or something, Russia cries foul and villainizes the US, etc etc etc."

But the point is, the Russians never imagined that they would be THIS successful.

If Clinton won, the Russian meddling and ensuing pissing contest would be a C or D headline before fizzling out entirely in time for 2020.

It would have slightly more attention had Clinton lost to Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz, but ultimately would never be the massive hysterical story that it is now.

But since it's TRUMP, the Left had a stroke on election night. They used the Russian stuff in this deranged attempt to take trump down.

I doubt very very much that Russia ever anticipated the intensity of this hysteria