Christianity could be a higher order way of organizing lives

[spoonitnow]

Well obviously, but the problem there is morality is subjective, while law is objective.

"Abortion is murder" is a statement of fact. Better would be "I think abortion is immoral" and you don't come across as a judgemental tosspot who just uses the most powerful language one can imagine in an effort to obtain moral high ground.

You don't have to think abortion is immoral for it to be murder, ie: you don't have to think murder is immoral.

[OngBonga]

You don't have to think abortion is immoral for it to be murder, ie: you don't have to think murder is immoral.

No but we moved on to morality in an effort to justify the use of the word "murder". You have to think abortion is immoral to think abortion is murder, otherwise you're claiming you think abortion is illegal... unless of course abortion is illegal, in which case it is murder because then it fits the definition.

If you don't think murder is immoral, fine. But you can't pretend to think murder is legal.

[spoonitnow]

No but we moved on to morality in an effort to justify the use of the word "murder". You have to think abortion is immoral to think abortion is murder, otherwise you're claiming you think abortion is illegal... unless of course abortion is illegal, in which case it is murder because then it fits the definition.

If you don't think murder is immoral, fine. But you can't pretend to think murder is legal.

The bold is not true. Moreover, you're continuing on the "let's argue about what murder means" path that no one else is on.

[OngBonga]

The bold is not true. Moreover, you're continuing on the "let's argue about what murder means" path that no one else is on.

Right, because I'm the only person who realise it's actually pretty important.

What the fuck do you mean when you say "abortion is murder"? If you're saying neither "it's immoral killing" nor "it's unlawful killing", then what are you saying? Are you all using a different meaning of the word "murder"? Perhaps it's like a bunch of fucking crows, yeah abortion is murder because it's plural.

Forigve me for not knowing what it is you're saying when you're using alternate defintions that only I seem to be unaware of.