Trump Believes He is Starring in the Second Season of an Apprentice Spinoff

[OngBonga]

So in your mind, they're victims who are being manipulated into telling their stories, but still victims?

Sure.

And so in that case who is the bad guy here? The perpetrator of sexual abuse or the person encouraging the victims to speak up?

"who is the bad guy?"
"encouraging the victims to speak up"

Why are they being encouraged?

A perpetrator of sexual abuse is indeed a bad guy. Someone who manipulates a victim for political gain is also a bad guy. Why is there only one bad guy in your world? The world is full of assholes.

'Cause you seem to be suggesting that it's wrong to encourage people to stand up for themselves if the person who abused them is a public figure.

You jump to some interesting conclusions. I'm not talking about public figures. I thought the #metoo movement was tapping into the victimhood of normal women around the world, whove had their asses pinched, or been leered at in the pub by a drunk.

And if that's the case then sorry, but you sound like a moral dinosaur pining for an age when victims just sucked it up and kept their mouths shut.

Fortunately I'm not. I advocate them making an immediate complaint, rather than waiting a decade until there's a twitter movement.

If this was the 1960s you'd be saying 'Fucking Martin Luther King, politicising racism like that and using it for his own selfish ends!

If someone else was encouraging him to do what he was doing, for an ulterior motive, then the person encouraging them would be engaged in polticising racism.

The people being manipulated are not the manipulators.

Goddamn victims complaining about having to sit at the back of the bus! Next they'll want the right to send their kids to the same schools as us. Victimisation is all they know.'

See, you just see victims, and it tugs on your heart strings. That's how they got to you, it's how they get to them all. I'm not racist, of course we should let immigrants in. I'm not a rapist, of course I hate Trump for saying "grab her by the pussy".

Because I'm shitting on the #metoo bollocks, you assume I'm a terrible person who wants to turn a blind eye to sexual abuse. You've been politically exploited into taking the position you have done. You take the position you do because you assume to take a different position makes you practically a rapist.

That's the whole point of identity politics.

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I thought the #metoo movement was tapping into the victimhood of normal women around the world, whove had their asses pinched, or been leered at in the pub by a drunk.

What % of women taking part in metoo are publicly denouncing someone for pinching their ass in a pub? I think you're trying to belittle the movement by saying it's encouraging women to make (comparatively) trivial complaints. What hard evidence do you have that is what is actually happening?

Fortunately I'm not. I advocate them making an immediate complaint, rather than waiting a decade until there's a twitter movement.

So if for whatever reason they didn't have the courage to speak up at the time of the incident, this automatically disqualifies them as the victim of a crime? Come on now.

If someone else was encouraging him to do what he was doing, for an ulterior motive, then the person encouraging them would be engaged in polticising racism.

Who cares what the other person's motives are? They're getting someone to report a crime that would otherwise go unpunished.

See, you just see victims, and it tugs on your heart strings. That's how they got to you, it's how they get to them all. I'm not racist, of course we should let immigrants in. I'm not a rapist, of course I hate Trump for saying "grab her by the pussy".

What is the argument here, I should not have empathy? Or do you think I'm such a mindless sheep-boy that I just go along with whatever I hear on twitter? If that's your idea of who I am I'm afraid you're mistaken.

Because I'm shitting on the #metoo bollocks, you assume I'm a terrible person who wants to turn a blind eye to sexual abuse. You've been politically exploited into taking the position you have done. You take the position you do because you assume to take a different position makes you practically a rapist.

That's the whole point of identity politics.

I don't assume anything about you other than you have a strange set of priorities. You seem to think if someone else benefits politically from a criminal facing justice, that somehow makes it wrong. Although I agree it's distasteful , to me that's such a small price to pay for justice I really don't see how it can be put in the same category. If the alternative is to let a criminal go free then I don't give a shit if someone gets a few brownie points from voters or likes on their twitter feed for standing up for another person's rights.