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[Poopadoop]

These remedies can only be used on someone who doesn't want them through force. Using these methods through force has been proven ineffective.

Again, making the assumption the person is born that way and never wanted help before they became a psychopath. Maybe had they received help in time, they wouldn't have ended up with the mindset that mass murder is a better option than seeking help.

[BananaStand]

Again, making the assumption the person is born that way and never wanted help before they became a psychopath. Maybe had they received help in time, they wouldn't have ended up with the mindset that mass murder is a better option than seeking help.

And you think the government stands a chance at accomplishing this???

[Poopadoop]

And you think the government stands a chance at accomplishing this???

I think they stand a better chance if they try than if they don't try, yes.

[Poopadoop]

I think a lot of what goes into not wanting help is the notion that 'no-one cares about me' or 'no-one is on my side', leading to the conclusion of 'fuck society, it won't help me'. I don't think these people go around thinking 'i'm fine with the idea of wanting to kill everyone'. it's more like 'i'm fucked in the head but no-one cares.'

So, if someone gets to them before they reach that point, and convinces them that someone does care and wants to help them, I think it could save a lot of heartache later on.

[BananaStand]

So, if someone gets to them before they reach that point, and convinces them that someone does care and wants to help them, I think it could save a lot of heartache later on.

That's so sweet. I think I'm getting a cavity.

How would you suggest we make that into policy without being invasive or violating rights, and also having the policy be measurably effective?

[Poopadoop]

How would you suggest we make that into policy without being invasive or violating rights, and also having the policy be measurably effective?

Don't know I'm not an expert in the area. It just strikes me as a better use of resources to try to prevent people from becoming mass killers than giving everyone in a public space a gun and training in how to kill potential mass-killers.

[BananaStand]

I think they stand a better chance if they try than if they don't try, yes.

Fine. What exactly could be done that's not already being done? How do you identify who needs help? How do you identify who needs enough help that it will stop a shooting? How do you measure success? How do you keep this program(s) from being abused? How do you protect people's rights?

I posted a link a couple weeks ago of a NY Times opinion piece written by an accomplished psychologist who ADMITTED that she had no reason to incarcerate (not the clinical term I know, but it's apt) a person but did so anyway merely because she wanted to avoid any potential fault if she was wrong. AND she also admitted that she would be personally gratified if this innocent person were not allowed to buy a gun.

Funny enough, that injustice wasn't the point of her paper. It was just an innocuous detail that doesn't seem to be getting much play in the liberal media.

What you're advocating is a slippery slope, and not even a very long one, toward government oppression.