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[BananaStand]

Let me try to put this in more understandable terms. Gun control good, arming teachers bad. Guns bad, therapy good.

There's no such thing as "gun control". It's really 'people control'. It's an important distinction to which the left is totally oblivious.

And therapy only works if the person wants it, and most mass murders don't.

[CoccoBill]

There's no such thing as "gun control". It's really 'people control'. It's an important distinction to which the left is totally oblivious.

And therapy only works if the person wants it, and most mass murders don't.

Obviously gun control is shorthand for controlling people's access to guns.

It's a bit late for therapy when they already are mass murderers. I'm sure there's plenty of ways to give special attention to high risk groups, identify and monitor behavioral patterns and early warning signs, invest in preventative care and be able to intervene in extreme cases. I don't know how to implement these, that's why they (should) have smarter people making policies. I'm sure all it'd take to see improvement is to invest in these things.

[BananaStand]

Obviously gun control is shorthand for controlling people's access to guns.

Wrong. Get woke.

It's a bit late for therapy when they already are mass murderers.

Or already have the thinking of a mass murder.

I'm sure there's plenty of ways to give special attention to high risk groups

Let me tell you a story. Once upon a time, there was a county in Florida called Broward. And their school kids were angry criminal ass holes. The number of incidents requiring police intervention and arrests was extremely high. Like all crime, poverty was at the root. And that means that minorities were over-represented in the arrest figures. Then someone said "There must be some way we can give special attention to high risk groups (i.e. minorities)"

Like any misguided liberal governing body, the degenerate fuckheads in this Florida county thought they could solve problems with legislation and government policy. Enter the PROMISE program. This dumbass misguided garbage enacted new policies requiring schools to NOT call the police when kids commit certain misdemeanor crimes like fighting, pot, bringing a knife to school etc. Instead of calling law enforcement when laws were broken, the schools decided to keep shit in house.

offenders were given all kinds of special attention. Moved to different classes, different schools, whatever. And it worked...ostensibly. Arrest statistics went way down. Number of crimes didn't. But arrests did. So everyone in Broward was happy. And one day this program sucked up the wrong psycho. He was given all kinds of attention. He was moved around. And yet he never felt like he was getting the right kind of attention. He definitely wasn't getting the right kind of attention from the police despite his many clear offenses. And then one day this psycho decided to get attention by murdering 17 people.

And after that happened, the Sheriff of Broward went on TV and said this could have all been prevented if the whole country was banned outright from owning an AR-15.

Now if you're a person with any sense. Your head just exploded.

identify and monitor behavioral patterns and early warning signs

Medical surveillance?? Ask any doctor you can find if they think that's ethical.

invest in preventative care

From the government? Preventative care is called parenting. Gov't sucks at that.

and be able to intervene in extreme cases.

This already exists. The problem is that there is invasive and unconstitutional intervention in non-extreme cases. Society can not handle this policy. It's a nice idea. But it's objectively not viable.

I don't know how to implement these,

Probably a good thing because they're terrible ideas. And what has been implemented, like the PROMISE program, produced the most catastrophic result.

that's why they (should) have smarter people making policies

I'm considering a run in 2032. I figure Trump's gonna do his 8. Then I forsee a president Kanye. After that vote Banana.

I'm sure all it'd take to see improvement is to invest in these things.

Invest how? I don't think society can effectively do this right now. Perhaps we're just not evolved enough. The problem here is that society's instinct is like yours. We talk about "identifying high risk groups". So the next question is "which groups?" and "how do we identify them?". Broward tried to answer that. They said "who's getting arrested the most?". The answer was minorities. So they made policies to help favor minorities. And then some psycho white kid fell through the cracks. So we invested. And what was the return on that investment? 17 dead kids.

Nice investment.

[CoccoBill]

Wrong. Get woke.

Ok. Right. "The left" think gun control means telling guns to behave.

Let me tell you a story.

Cool story bro. You give me one anecdote where in Florida some stupid ass backwards program was tried, and it failed. What exactly were you trying to prove?

Medical surveillance?? Ask any doctor you can find if they think that's ethical.

I don't know what you mean by medical surveillance. I meant surveying how pupils act. There's plenty of teachers, counselors etc staff in schools, kids have medical exams, I'm sure there's already plenty of ways to find behavioral patterns that are high risk, other than just violent behavior. In many cases of school shootings there had been clear warning signs, they just hadn't been acted upon.

From the government? Preventative care is called parenting. Gov't sucks at that.

As long as the govt is providing the education, they also have a very central role in that. Something could be done about parenting too. Such as disincentivizing making a billion kids in poor and troubled households, or in general requiring people to pass some basic tests to be able to make kids or vote.

This already exists. The problem is that there is invasive and unconstitutional intervention in non-extreme cases. Society can not handle this policy. It's a nice idea. But it's objectively not viable.

I wouldn't consider forced interventions in countries with less than one shooting a week.

Probably a good thing because they're terrible ideas. And what has been implemented, like the PROMISE program, produced the most catastrophic result.

None of them are terrible ideas.

Invest how? I don't think society can effectively do this right now. Perhaps we're just not evolved enough. The problem here is that society's instinct is like yours. We talk about "identifying high risk groups". So the next question is "which groups?" and "how do we identify them?". Broward tried to answer that. They said "who's getting arrested the most?". The answer was minorities. So they made policies to help favor minorities. And then some psycho white kid fell through the cracks. So we invested. And what was the return on that investment? 17 dead kids.

Nice investment.

Like with anything in life, give it a half-assed shot and if that fails, fuck it.