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  1. #1
    The point is, if not for NATO, then Germany would be perfectly within its rights to say "with all due respect, Mr Trump, fuck off".

    But since Germany are a NATO member state, and since gas is a critical resource, Trump is right in saying that Germany is under Russian influence. And that is a problem for NATO. What's the point of NATO if member states are going to support the enemy's economy while being energy dependant on them? That kind of relationship means political influence.

    Germany should be seeking an alternative source, even if it costs more.
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    ongies gonna ong
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The point is, if not for NATO, then Germany would be perfectly within its rights to say "with all due respect, Mr Trump, fuck off".
    They're still perfectly within their rights to say that. It's a defensive military alliance, not an economic trade agreement about who buys what from whom.

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    But since Germany are a NATO member state, and since gas is a critical resource, Trump is right in saying that Germany is under Russian influence. And that is a problem for NATO. What's the point of NATO if member states are going to support the enemy's economy while being energy dependant on them? That kind of relationship means political influence.
    Haha, the Russian influence on Trump is much stronger than their influence on NATO.
  3. #3
    What problems does NATO create?

    I would argue that it creates a climate of fear amongst populations, while lining the pockets of military businesses and politicians. How much does Trident cost us? A fuck ton. Why do we need Trident? Russia.

    NATO creates the problems it was created to solve. It creates tension with Russia, which then means we need a military alliance to stand up against Russia. It is a very expensive vicious circle.
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    ongies gonna ong

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