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 Originally Posted by BananaStand
Wow. That's NOT how justice works in America. That's how justice works in your imaginary dreamland where the government is wholly corrupt, but only in ways you like, so it's ok.
Nope, you're being a dummy again. Get a dictionary. Honestly it will help you.
There's an objective truth that exists outside of any legal status. Saying a person who hasn't been charged with a crime is "irrefutably, objectively" innocent is just silly. A person either did or did not commit a crime. If they did they are objectively and irrefutably guilty of that crime, whether it's been tried in a court of law or not. They still need to be convicted in court in order to be punished for that crime, but objectively they ARE irrefutably guilty. And if they are irrefutably guilty in an objective sense, then they get convicted in a court, that means their innocence was not irrefutable, since their conviction definitely refutes it.
Arguing that someone is "objectively" innocent of a crime because a) you're personally unaware of any evidence that might impugn them; and b) they've yet to be tried for it in a court of law (presumably this only works if it's an American court of law, because other countriees just throw whoever they like in prison with no trial) is just silly. It's like saying before Newton proved gravity was a thing, gravity "objectively" didn't exist. Of course it did, and you're an idiot if you try to argue otherwise.
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