*** The Official MAGAposting thread ***

[MadMojoMonkey]

Most democracies are false. The one we have certainly is. We're still in the fucking EU.

America is not, by and large, "a democracy," rather it's a democratic republic.
By and large, we do not vote on our laws; we vote for the people who vote for us.
By and large, we do not vote for our civil officials; we vote for the people who appoint those officials.

[OngBonga]

America is not, by and large, "a democracy," rather it's a democratic republic.
By and large, we do not vote on our laws; we vote for the people who vote for us.
By and large, we do not vote for our civil officials; we vote for the people who appoint those officials.

This describes most "democracies". Switzerland is the only exception I can immediately think of.

[OngBonga]

Do you mean because they realized all of their options were shit, and so put off leaving the EU? That's the simplest explanation.

Leaving without a deal is a better option than the shitfest we're being served up.

Another not-so-subtle point is that public opinion has shifted towards Remain once people became educated on how bad economically leaving the EU would be.

I doubt it. Remember how the polls told everyone how Clinton would win and we'd vote to remain? Biased press. Leave will win another referendum, if it happens, which it shouldn't and won't.

"But, hurr durr we had a referendum 3 years ago that Leave barely won and nothing else matters." This refrain is really dumb. it's like saying we had an election a few years ago and so no-one can ever change their minds and vote for a different party now - the die is cast.

Referenda are expensive and divisive. You don't keep having them. Are you in favour of Scotland having another vote this year?How about in another three years? How about they keep voting until they vote "yes" and then stop voting? Is that your idea of democracy?

Brexit is not an inevitable outcome of a non-binding referendum.

Of course it's inevitable, and of course the referendum is binding, at least in the real sense if not legal. If we don't leave, the Tories will not win an election for a long time. That's surely scarier than leaving the EU, isn't it? I'm no fan of the Tories, but a decade or two of socialist Labour isn't particularly appealing.

Leaving without a deal is a great deal more likely than Brexit being cancelled.

[OngBonga]

Most of the time when he attacks the media, he attacks them for reporting facts.

I have no idea what constitutes "facts" any more when we talk about the mass media, but if the word "Russia" is uttered, I assume it's not a fact. I realise sometimes I'll be wrong, but I'm playing the numbers game there.

[oskar]

I have no idea what constitutes "facts" any more when we talk about the mass media, but if the word "Russia" is uttered, I assume it's not a fact. I realise sometimes I'll be wrong, but I'm playing the numbers game there.

Some of the biggest breaks in the russia storyline came because one of his dumbfuck familiy members tweeted it out or because his geriatric TV lawyer blurted it out on live TV. You can literally source it back to official communication of his own inner circle.

[Poopadoop]

Leaving without a deal is a better option than the shitfest we're being served up.

I don't think you understand how good it is to be in an economic union and how bad it is to be isolated from one in terms of trade.

Imagine you're a company who wants to build widgets. Caveat emptor, would you rather put your factory in a market with 1x labor and 1x consumers, or 5x labor and 5x consumers? It's not hard to see why companies are already pulling out of the UK pre-Brexit.

I doubt it. Remember how the polls told everyone how Clinton would win and we'd vote to remain? Biased press. Leave will win another referendum, if it happens, which it shouldn't and won't.

Results of first referendum were within margin of error. Polls don't tell you who is going to 'win', like there's a magical line at 50%. They give you an estimate +/- a few %.

Latest polls have it about 60/40 Remain. That's not even close.

Referenda are expensive and divisive. You don't keep having them.

Then why have any?

Are you in favour of Scotland having another vote this year?How about in another three years? How about they keep voting until they vote "yes" and then stop voting? Is that your idea of democracy?

It's up to them; they can have as many referenda as they want. Times change and so do opinions.

Is that your idea of democracy?

It seems better than the idea that the populace only ever gets one point in time to make a monumental decision at, and if they get more information and change their minds, tough shit.

Leaving without a deal is a great deal more likely than Brexit being cancelled.

Maybe. we'll see.