*** Official Politics Shitposting Thread ***

[oskar]

Do you think Trump has built more, an equal amount, or less wall than Obama so far?

[TheSpoonald]

Do you think Trump has built more, an equal amount, or less wall than Obama so far?

Depends on what you mean by "wall". If you're talking about an effective barrier to effectively stop immigration between ports of entry, then the score is tied. They've both built 0.

If you're talking about mere wall-shaped obstacles, I don't give a fuck what the score is. Trump and Obama are not operating in anywhere near the same environment

[oskar]

Trump and Obama are not operating in anywhere near the same environment

Huh?

[Poopadoop]

Huh?

I think he means there wasn't a refugee crisis during Obama's time. But now zomgcaravans are going to become a permanent occurrence at the border from here to eternity.

[TheSpoonald]

I think he means there wasn't a refugee crisis during Obama's time. But now zomgcaravans are going to become a permanent occurrence at the border from here to eternity.

That's part of it. The numbers don't lie. 60,000 people a month is too fucking many. Obama never had to deal with that.

Also, the opioid crisis wasn't nearly the monolith it is today, so the urgency is different.

But mostly I was referring to the fact that Obama operated in a world where there was such a thing as honest disagreement. You didn't have to agree with Obama, but he was president, and that meant something. Trump is in a completely different situation. He has every partisan politician working in concert with academia and the news media to challenge everything he does on contrived moral grounds, leaving no room for honest disagreement or compromise. That's a completely new phenomenon for American legislating.

[Poopadoop]

Trump is in a completely different situation. He has every partisan politician working in concert with academia and the news media to challenge everything he does on contrived moral grounds, leaving no room for honest disagreement or compromise. That's a completely new phenomenon for American legislating.

Pretty sure if Obama had starting separating families on a regular basis he would have heard some criticism about it.

Also, this is overall a pretty lame argument. Obama got lambasted all the time on Fox and by the right.

[TheSpoonald]

Pretty sure if Obama had starting separating families on a regular basis he would have heard some criticism about it.

Oh, is that what did it? Were the DC elites and the mainstream media open minded and fair before that??

[TheSpoonald]

Also, this is overall a pretty lame argument. Obama got lambasted all the time on Fox and by the right.

That's not the point. Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan still came to the table and negotiated legislation. Things still happened.

In the old days, if Trump wanted 5B for a border wall, he would get it. The Dems would do their demagoguery against it, but ultimately it would pass, and in return the Dems would get something they want. That's called compromise and it's how the business of government should be done.

Now, Trump wants a wall, and the opposition says "No it's immoral, fuck you, we'll never let you win anything because ORANGE MAN BAD".

When the family separations were happening, Trump's response was "Hey I'm just enforcing the law. If you don't like the law, change it".

Then Republicans proposed new legislation. It passed the senate. Trump said he would sign it. And the house, led by democrats, said "NOPE, no way we will let you have a victory on this. You're gonna have to change it by executive order so it looks like it's your fault. And by the way, when you do, we're gonna bust your ass for taking too long to do it, even though we are solely responsible for the delay"

That shit actually happened man.

[oskar]

That's part of it. The numbers don't lie. 60,000 people a month is too fucking many. Obama never had to deal with that.

Also, the opioid crisis wasn't nearly the monolith it is today, so the urgency is different.

But mostly I was referring to the fact that Obama operated in a world where there was such a thing as honest disagreement. You didn't have to agree with Obama, but he was president, and that meant something. Trump is in a completely different situation. He has every partisan politician working in concert with academia and the news media to challenge everything he does on contrived moral grounds, leaving no room for honest disagreement or compromise. That's a completely new phenomenon for American legislating.

If that's true, why is Trump building so much less wall than Obama? Shouldn't he be building more?