Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
They want to be more effective at their jobs. That is a totally separate question as to whether the country needs them to be more effective at their jobs for the cost it involves.

Their job isn't to be aware of the greater implications to the national economy or to national security. If those greater issues say that we need to beef up border security, then taking their advice as to what would be the best way to do so is exactly the right call.
There's such giant gaping holes in this I don't know where to start. Ok...they want to be more effective at their jobs. Why? Do they make more money if they are? Is their workload easier if they catch more illegal crossers? Or fewer? Define "effective"? And what is their incentive for being effective?

If we presume that you're correct, then you also have to presume that BP wants to be more effective at their job because they don't want criminal aliens to enter the country illegally. But it's not just them. It's everyone. It's us. The taxpayer who funds their efforts. We do that because WE want them to be effective at their jobs. So you have already answered the question about whether or not making them more effective would serve national interests. It would.

And besides, you've MOVED THE FUCKING GOALPOAST!!

The question is....do you believe that walls work, or are you still hung up on this brilliant "ladder" idea that you and Oskar thought of? We're not talking about politics, or legislation, or economics, or spending or anything right now. We might be talking about those things later when you move the goalpost. But for now....let's keep the post where it is.

Now follow me here....

People who know how to build walls built some prototypes. Some people who know about getting over walls tried to get over them and couldn't. They had ladders. Do you find fault with that methodology? Or do you begrudgingly accept that walls work, and your silly ladder can't beat them.