What will you do when Biden is President?

[wufwugy]

Let me clarify a little on that.

The government should never treat people differently based on race or gender or other types of identity. The government should always have the same laws for everybody.

The people should *mostly* not treat people differently based on race or gender or other types of identity. This is *mostly* because sometimes it is warranted. Like if you're running a bikini barista, everybody is fine with hiring a specific type of person (attractive young straight biological female).

What we don't want is situations like Affirmative Action, where people are wrongly rewarded or punished because of their identity. Which, in the ironic twist, often harms those it tries to reward, but we could get into the details for why that is some other time.

[MadMojoMonkey]

The government should never treat people differently based on race or gender or other types of identity. The government should always have the same laws for everybody.

The thing is, we've always said that, but never done that.

The people should *mostly* not treat people differently based on race or gender or other types of identity. This is *mostly* because sometimes it is warranted. Like if you're running a bikini barista, everybody is fine with hiring a specific type of person (attractive young straight biological female).

If you're implying that it "should" be acceptable to not hire someone based exclusively on their appearance, then I'd say that's against the spirit, if not the letter of the law when it comes to anti-discrimination.

Ugly people need jobs, too.

If that employer is only hiring female employees for certain positions, then that's against the letter of the law for sexual discrimination.

What we don't want is situations like Affirmative Action, where people are wrongly rewarded or punished because of their identity. Which, in the ironic twist, often harms those it tries to reward, but we could get into the details for why that is some other time.

In the long term, you're right, but what about oskar's point? It's been many decades since the civil rights movements following WWII and we still have a smattering of minorities represented in our national gov't.

I.e. all the BS we've been fed as a solution is laid bare for what it is. BS.

I'm not saying Affirmative Action is the best way forward, but it's clear that institutional racism is still rampant, and not being addressed.

[OngBonga]

If you're implying that it "should" be acceptable to not hire someone based exclusively on their appearance, then I'd say that's against the spirit, if not the letter of the law when it comes to anti-discrimination.

Ugly people need jobs, too.

If that employer is only hiring female employees for certain positions, then that's against the letter of the law for sexual discrimination.

Ok, so if I hire a Japanese hooker, am I being racist and sexist by choosing my hooker based on her race and gender? Should I hire an ugly hooker? Or a white one? Maybe black? How about a male hooker? Should I at least consider hiring these demographics? Should I hire a different hooker each time?

If I decide not to shave, am I being treated unfairly if I get overlooked for a job where I am expected to take pride in my appearance?

Should I be considered for a job at an Islamic girls school? How about an air hostess? What if I want to wear a dress?

Appearance is extremely important in many jobs. I don't think I'd make a great lap dancer.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Ok, so if I hire a Japanese hooker, am I being racist and sexist by choosing my hooker based on her race and gender? Should I hire an ugly hooker? Or a white one? Maybe black? How about a male hooker? Should I at least consider hiring these demographics? Should I hire a different hooker each time?

All of those are private transactions, not public.

If you were running a public brothel and you were hiring only Japanese women, then yeah. That seems like a problem to me.

However, if all the women are independent contractors, and not directly employed by you, and the fact that non-Japanese, non-women can't make any money there, because the clientele don't choose them, then that's different.

If I decide not to shave, am I being treated unfairly if I get overlooked for a job where I am expected to take pride in my appearance?

IDK. I think you might have a case.
The mere presence of a beard shouldn't be considered a sign of someone who doesn't take pride in their appearance.
This could be used as religious discrimination, as e.g. Orthodox Jews have long beards.

Should I be considered for a job at an Islamic girls school? How about an air hostess? What if I want to wear a dress?

The girl's school sounds like a private school, and so no. Private institutions do not have to follow rules that prevent discrimination in public spaces.

I see no reason you couldn't be a flight attendant. I see no reason you couldn't do that in whatever gender-projecting uniform you choose.
Yes, I think if the airline refused to hire you based all or in part because you are transvestite - that is and should be illegal.

Appearance is extremely important in many jobs. I don't think I'd make a great lap dancer.

Aww. Don't be so hard on yourself. You give great lap dances.


Models, Hollywood, etc. there are cases when hiring can be based on appearance. In those cases, as I understand it, special wages are given for that scrutiny.