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[OngBonga]

Latest from negotiation talks:

1. Install Russian puppet as PM

...I assume that was the end of the discussion there.

The other demands are arguably reasonable. But this one isn't.

Recognising Crimea as Russian territory is accepting reality. Same with recognising the autonomy of the breakaway states. Russia are never going to give up Crimea without a fight, it is far too strategic. And the breakaway states have been oppressed by Ukraine since 2014, there is no hope of the people of these regions ever being loyal to the Ukrainian nation.

Not joining NATO is a no brainer if they want peaceful relations with Russia.

Accepting a puppet government though, that's very clearly going to be rejected.

[Poopadoop]

The other demands are arguably reasonable. But this one isn't.

Recognising Crimea as Russian territory is accepting reality. Same with recognising the autonomy of the breakaway states. Russia are never going to give up Crimea without a fight, it is far too strategic. And the breakaway states have been oppressed by Ukraine since 2014, there is no hope of the people of these regions ever being loyal to the Ukrainian nation.

Not joining NATO is a no brainer if they want peaceful relations with Russia.

Accepting a puppet government though, that's very clearly going to be rejected.

You can say anything about recognising this or that territory. You can promise to never join NATO. Nothing to keep you from changing your mind later, especially after Russia agreed to recognise Ukraine in return for getting their nukes, then changed their mind about that.

Letting Putin install a puppet dictator though is basically just surrendering. Zelensky will never do this, they'll have to kill him first.