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[OngBonga]

I mean, if you're saying Donetsk is "historically Ukrainian" and should therefore remain in Ukraine, then the same argument can be used to point out that Ukraine is "historically Russian".

[Poopadoop]

I mean, if you're saying Donetsk is "historically Ukrainian" and should therefore remain in Ukraine, then the same argument can be used to point out that Ukraine is "historically Russian".

By that logic, Scotland is "historically English." You see how weird that sounds?

If instead you define a nation as having a unique language and culture, Soviet Russia was made up of about a dozen different nations (15 separate SSRs in the Soviet Union), and Ukraine used to be one of them. Donetsk was in the Ukrainian SSR, so apparently the Russians assumed it was Ukranian too.

[OngBonga]

Maybe it is the same. Ukraine is distinct from Russia (not the Soviet Union though).