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[OngBonga]

It's less hilarious that a substantial portion of the poorest people have been convinced to vote Tory, like that's somehow going to improve their lot.

People have more faith in capitalism than socialism. Even poor people. That really is all it boils down to.

[MadMojoMonkey]

People have more faith in capitalism than socialism. Even poor people. That really is all it boils down to.

I think neither can do all that it needs to do on economies of the scales we have today. It takes a mixture of both, IMO.

Capitalism is great for incentivizing innovation and rewarding personal efforts with personal gains.
But it isn't perfect. It relies on everyone being able to be a perfect negotiator for their worth to a greater society / company.
That's unreasonable, and people are taken advantage of.
Mostly, that's not a big enough problem to try to solve. It's not exactly fair, but it could be way less fair, and we're not promised fairness in life... we just like it and want it for ourselves.

But there are problems. Mental health, physical health, anti-social tendencies that are the result of the society not accepting all people, and not the fault of the people who are just people. Societies tend to build a myopic view of what is the range of "normal" human behaviors. They always get it wrong. They always exclude people. Whether it's women, or gays, or trans, or retarded or amputees.... it doesn't work for everyone.

And I see that socialistic programs within a greater capitalistic system are valuable to the greater society. Societies don't serve everyone equally. To the extent that we are shooting ourselves in the foot by ignoring that potential wealth of innovation and talent ... that's a problem. We can be better.

It's not about giving handouts to "bad" people. It's about recognizing that those are good people whom our society has shat upon.

The balance between capitalism and socialism is worth discussing. A moving line that we can argue about where it belongs.
But, to me, it definitely belongs somewhere.