*** OFFICIAL BREXIT SUNLIT UPLANDS and #MEGA THREAD ***

[Poopadoop]

The only thing bothering me is you. Me and Ong were having a fun debate and then you stuck your nose in and tried to be the referee. I don't want to fight with you either, so let's just leave it.

[MadMojoMonkey]

The only thing bothering me is you. Me and Ong were having a fun debate and then you stuck your nose in and tried to be the referee. I don't want to fight with you either, so let's just leave it.

I didn't mean to referee anything, really, though I can see how my statements were in that tone.

How shall I say it then?

Your entire case was built on strong points until you made the appeal to authority. Just saying, IMO that was weak sauce. If you'd instead just said, "This is what I understand KC means..." rather than insist that what you understand is True, then that'd have been a stronger way to proceed, IMO.

I'm just commenting on what's being said. I'm not a referee. Go ahead and say whatever. If you think my point is bad, then say so. Turning our disagreement into a personal gripe or into an argument is where the line is drawn.

I'm not interested in arguments. I'm interested in discussions. If you want to argue with ong, then by all means do so. You both love it.

I am not ong. I'm not here to change your mind. I'm here to change mine. I'm here to say what I understand and hear what other people understand and see if there's anything in there that I'd like to adopt. Whether or not you want to be influenced by me is none of my concern, really, and certainly no ambition of mine. If it happens, it happens; if not, then not.


The problem with argument and debate is entrenched perspectives. I'm not interested in defending an idea. I'm interested in exploring ideas. I'm not interested in being right, I'm interested in being less wrong.

IDK if this helps you see my perspective, and perhaps assign less of an authoritarian nature to my comments. I'm not here to boss anyone around. I'm just thinking with friends.

[Poopadoop]

If a court had no power to enforce it's ruling, no-one would give a shit about it, whether it was otherwise fair or not, they'd just ignore it. They'd say 'sure anteater court, I'm sentenced to life on the moon. whatever, your honor. see ya.'

The reason people use the derogatory term kangaroo court is because they think they're being tried by an unfair court, AND that same court has the authority to punish them. cf Bodger Johnson.