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At this stage of the game , i'm playing it safe and not going to vote . Still unsure who is who , i figured that with there being 7 players :
3 baddies
4 villagers
If the baddies know who there are , they will tend to stick together and vote one of us villagers off . There fore i'll wait to see who votes for who and see where the forth vote needs to be to settle the winning lynch . The village needs to win this game and we have to stick together to do so .
She may be a worse player than SDM. Reading her posts are hysterical.
Agreed. We may NEED to lynch her today. Can you imagine how bad it would be for the village if we REALLY needed her?
I may be a true blonde but not as dumb as one . I've dyed my hair brunette and my friends and i like my look .
We can't afford to lose any more villagers at this point , we have to play smart and decide together who are the last vampwolfs . Otherwise we will lose our village to them .
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Originally Posted by crazzvette
If there was enough time I would switch my vote to you in a heartbeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by crazzvette
After these two posts you absolutely HAVE to be a baddie.
We still have 4 hours, and I've already stated that I think crazz is a baddie.
rescind jkds, lynch crazz
Implying these 2 comments makes me wonder if your a baddy and trying to swing the votes to me in hopes that we lose another villager (which i am all) and then gives the baddies the advantage of maybe winning this game . Hopefully the rest of us villagers can see what your implying and maybe they can see the errors of your ways , gl village , were going to need it if he gets his way .Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
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Originally Posted by crazzvette
He's stating that you're a baddie, nothing is implied.
If you are a villager then you deserve the blame for the loss by refusing to engage in helping.
rescind gizmo, lynch crazyv
lynch crazzv
Gator or nightgizmo tomorrow, imo
Reasoning being that it hurts my brains to read those posts. Much rather lose to baddies if she turns out to be a villager.
There won't be a tommorrow , if you lynch me today , baddies will even the field and to night they have a kill to get the win . With that i have to hope that gizmo is a baddy . gl village .Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
lynch gizmo
Outside of the standard "I always want to lynch Gator" why do you think I should be lynched?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
Maybe Gizmo and Bigred are working together , one of them have to go , and today .
Explain how you go from trying to find people, to knowing one of gizmo and red have to go. What has bigred done besides vote for you?
Gater always did have issues with GizmoQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Bigred had issues with my grammar as well as me being female , which makes me wonder what that really has to do with this game besides just to justify to swing votes my way .
Boog as JKDS both have had previous problems with Red and Gizmo in the past from previous post .
I believe that there are working inconjuction with each other some how.
Sorry Gater but it looks like the baddies will win if i get lynched today .Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
I'm quite sure your a villager as us but it looks like they will lynch you tommorrow anyways for the win , grrrrrrrrrr .
crazz - gizmo
bigred - crazz
gator - crazz
gizmo - crazz
jkds -gizmo
boog - jkds
no vote - kiwi
giz 2
crazz 3
jkds 1
day ends in about 11 minutes, any votes at 3:00 or beyond will not count
I mean, ok. We're here.
Its unlikely that two of kiwi, bigred, crazy are baddies. If we're wrong here, its 1:2:3, then either 2:3, or 1:2:2. We can still win in one situatios, though it aint easy. We'll need a full village majority to do anything and im not sure we can count on everyone being likeminded. We lose in the 2nd though, and theres really nothing we can do if thats the case.
If crazys flip is beneficial though....then either 1:1:4 0:2:4 going to night at 1:4, 1:1:3, or 2:3. Those are all winable, and some allow us wiggle room.
Alright.
lynch crazzy
If you turn townie, we can look into this bigred-gizmo story. If no vamp is dead then there is a team of two still out there and we should have some voting histories to check for. Wolf, then cool. Vamp, then we know gizmo/red are probably not your partner. TC then, i dont even know. Lets see
Inb4 lol jkds nailed another coffin. fuck all ya all
Between her busy schedule of studying literature and recreation with BDSM, crazzvette still found the time to play a game of Werewolf with the unwashed masses on an internet forum. However, because her mode of genius could find no translation for them, they killed her
The Living
bigred
boog
gator
jkds
kiwimark
nightgizmo
The Dead
JustinSKS Werewolf lynched on Day 1
Rong Vampire nom'd by Werewolves on Night 1
Joker131 Sorcerer modkilled on Night 1
OngBonga Seer lynched on Day 2
Jackvance Werewolf killed by Vampires on Night 2
Jyms Vampire shot by Vigilante on Night 2
OngBonga Spawned Villager revived by Necromancer on Night 2
Bikes Villager lynched on Day 3
Pascal Villager nom'd by Werewolves on Night 3
Necromancer Shotglass lynched on Day 4
Turncoat Werewolf Stacks shot by Vigilante on Night 4
Chelle Villager killed by Vampires on Night 4
Vinland Vigilante lynched on Day 5
OngBonga Spawn auto-died on Day 5
TLR Villager has been nom'd by the Werewolves on Night 5
Crazzvette Vampire lynched on Day 6
The Village
1 Werewolf
1 Turncoat Vampire
4 Villagers
It is now Night 6. The Turncoat Vampire is now a full-fledged vampire who takes over the team's night killing phase. Turncoat Vampire, please PM me with your kill by this time tomorrow. Y'all may talk, but no hunting
Oh BTW I guess it's usual for the mod to say OMG CONGRATS TO TEH VILLA FUR LYNCHERING DERE FURST BADDIE (justin didn't count...)
Boom motherfucking headshot
wow, lul
This IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by bigred
That was about the best result we could hope for (i.e. better than nabbing the other wolf because the wolf now has a shot at hitting the TC).
and vice verse of course.
Triple post ftw
In Soviet Korea, Vampire kill Boooooooooog
The Living
bigred
gator
jkds
kiwimark
nightgizmo
The Dead
JustinSKS Werewolf lynched on Day 1
Rong Vampire nom'd by Werewolves on Night 1
Joker131 Sorcerer modkilled on Night 1
OngBonga Seer lynched on Day 2
Jackvance Werewolf killed by Vampires on Night 2
Jyms Vampire shot by Vigilante on Night 2
OngBonga Spawned Villager revived by Necromancer on Night 2
Bikes Villager lynched on Day 3
Pascal Villager nom'd by Werewolves on Night 3
Necromancer Shotglass lynched on Day 4
Turncoat Werewolf Stacks shot by Vigilante on Night 4
Chelle Villager killed by Vampires on Night 4
Vinland Vigilante lynched on Day 5
OngBonga Spawn auto-died on Day 5
TLR Villager has been nom'd by the Werewolves on Night 5
Crazzvette Vampire lynched on Day 6
Boog Villager killed by Turncoat Vampire on Night 6
The Village
1 Werewolf
1 Turncoat Vampire
3 Villagers
It is now Day 7. The player pool is now small enough to not impose a time limit
3 votes to lynch
My top two choices at this point are gizmo and bigred with kiwi a pretty close third.
Btw, if anyone still thinks I am the TC you are clearly not paying attention to the game.
You aren't -- JKDS is the vamp turncoat. He signaled his teammates in his first post, after jyms voted to lynch his known teammate, crazz.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
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Originally Posted by JKDS
He defends crazz, or at least tries to turn attention away from her or delay any action against her.
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Originally Posted by JKDS
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Originally Posted by JKDS
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Originally Posted by JKDS
The only reason he voted for crazz at the end was because he realized that she was going to be lynched anyway and he didn't want to be on the wrong side of the vote. He had a simple choice -- keep his vote on me and have her lynched as a vamp anyway, or switch his vote and then try to hide behind the lynch by being able to say, "But my vote was the one that lynched her!" Plus he gets the bonus of taking over as the controlling vamp so that crazz won't go and waste a nom again.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Also, his voting record is pretty bad -- he started day 2 by voting to lynch Ong for no reason (which as a villager, doesn't make a whole lot of sense, especially if he's trying to keep a low profile) and never budged from it, which ended up taking down the seer.
I also don't believe that JKDS' majority vote against Vinland was an accident. When he voted to lynch Justin in a field of 20, he knew that his was the final vote:
But then when the field is halved and he has his so-called special powers (so he's paying more attention to the game, most people would reasonably expect), he suddenly isn't keeping count anymore when he votes to lynch a player that is hinting at being a special?Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Looks to me like he wanted that special dead but wanted plausible deniability over making it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
First: No. Ive been pretty outspoken about ftr bans in the past, and take all threats about them pretty seriously. Ive thought theyve been too liberal with ban hammers, specifically ignoring the 3 strikes rule, and I have disagreed with many of the random banhammers against posters out of the blue. Crazy has been posting a lot, and its unfair to be threatening bans especially when comparing her to any of the other posters that actually do deserve the hammer. Im not gonna stay silent while a threat like that is made, and while i have no influence outside of the game, i can certainly vote him for it inside.
2nd point: No, you were clearly a better lynch than crazy up until probably when she voted you. Gator didnt steer the wagon onto crazy as the TC, thats obvious. However, you only voted her to save your skin because my wagon wasnt going anywhere and gator expressed interest in killing her off.
3rd point: I have no incentive to vote for or against crazy except to end the day.
4th point: My voting record is spotty? Really? Ive voted for stax, justin, jyms, and JV.
Heres a cool question though
Hey gizmo: Why dont you care about who the wolf is? Youve been tunneling me for awhile now, and are now convinced im the vamp tc. Thats cool. But how come you arent also concerned about who the wolf is?
I think its because its you. I havent forgotten about how you decided to vote me prior to a request for my role to be confirmed either. All you have been concerned about for awhile now is getting me lynched, and attacking my credibility as the town's only remaining confirmed villager.
I don't know who the last wolf is. But it's obvious who is the last vampire, so I'm making sure the village knows it. FWIW, I think Gator is a villager. So that leaves bigred or kiwi as the possible wolf.
When has a mod every confirmed someone's role before they died? Gator already pointed it out, too -- wuf ignored other questions about the existence of a secret role, there was no point indulging your attempt to delay votes against you.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
@Gator: Kiwi is typically more....i dunno...animated? He seems like hes really disinterested here which might be a sign of trying to hide...but i think hes just bored really.
Gizmo>>>>>Bigred>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kiwi imo. I dunno what to think about you anymore. Im gonna reread and try to figure it out, but obv not tc.
Lynch gizmo
Seriously, I don't know how anyone can ignore this now that we know both jyms and crazz are vamps.
He's speaking to jyms, calls him bro, and says that crazzvette is one of them. Find me any other hints to jyms or crazzvette that are even a fraction this obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
lynch jkds
Attempt to delay votes? Its not a question that matter-of-factly validates me, its a question whose answer implied confirmation. For all you know, he would have said "no, secret roles do not exist". And you didnt care.
If i have to dig up my outrage about ipoq and daven's bannings ill get them for you.
If there are secret roles, there is about a 0% chance that wuf would confirm them -- that's why they are called "secret". But if there are no secret roles and wuf decides to admit that, then there is a 100% chance that I'm voting to lynch you. So the timing on my vote shows nothing. Logic ftw!Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Instead, find a quote from somebody else alive that was trying to signal jyms or crazz. If you're the TC, then obviously your outrage is just a cover for your signal to your teammates, and you knew that jyms could make that comment while reassuring crazz that he had no intention of banning her in the vamp-den.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Except you dont know that its a 0% chance hed confirm them. And admission that there arent any is a very relevant factor in voting me. The timing of your vote is highly relevant, because as a villager that information would matter! If he denied it, then i couldnt be real, and you wouldnt be guessing anymore! Of course you would care!
As to your next point, im rereading in a bit. Gator had some hints that struck out, but he doesnt switch the lynch to crazy like that as the TC. Also, you are assuming the TC hinted at all, which was not the case with Stax.
I should add that you wouldnt care at all as a wolf/vamp. The reason being that if he said anything EXCEPT no, then you would have a hard time lynching me. A confirmed special that you have problems killing is clearly something you dont want
This quote is also pretty damning.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Well if this is the case, than kiwi is the wolf. I feel like it's pretty obvious I'm a villager by now. I'm a little confused how people think I'm suspicious. Also confused how I've managed to live this long...Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
Kiwi, you need to start participating.
For today I think we need to lynch JKDS. There are multiple clues that point to him being the TC and we need to validate that. If he is indeed a villager and is telling the truth about his secret role then we have a 50% shot of keeping him alive.
Is it a 50% chance of dying by lynch or baddie nom? I thought it was just baddie nom but I don't feel like looking up his old post.Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
I am pretty sure I remember him making a post that if the village lynched him he had a 50% chance of surviving.
Seems like that makes him a better lynch candidate, no?
Given that he's suspicious, I'd like to add.
Here is his first post.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Let's assume JKDS is the turncoat. Bigred, kiwi and gizmo. I would like to hear your thoughts on who you think the vamp is and why. I will look through things later tonight or tomorrow morning and post mine.
1 wolf, 1 vamp, 3 villagers. If you lynch me, and I die, the village has lost. We'd go into a 1wolf,
.......
We'd go into 1wolf, 1 vamp, 2 villagers, and then the night kill could lead us to 1wolf, 1 vamp, 1 villager. In that situation, the village will never win. Even in the situation where they kill the vamp, if the wolf is hidden with 1w and 2 villagers, we probably lose.
Yeah, if i survive we're in better shape. But not by much.
standard lineQuote:
Originally Posted by crazzvette
maybe you should focus your argument on why you can't be the TC.
where are kiwi and gizmo?
I've been enjoying my weekend and I haven't been at my computer much since Friday night. I have some stuff to take care of, but later today or tonight I'm going to go back through the thread and post my thoughts.
I wasn't planning on this Day being limitless, and realized I should have imposed the normal deadline for Monday. But because I didn't, you'll get an extra day more than normal. Day 7 will end at 3:00 PM PST on Tuesday
Gator:
* He voted for Ong but switched off when he outed as seer.
* He pushed for lynching crazz a few times before she was finally lynched, and also predicted that she was the last vampire. At the time she wasn't much of a lynch target, so pushing for her death would not be something the vamp turncoat does.
* I don't see anything else that would indicate that he's the wolf. I can't find any clear-cut quotes that say "Omg, he's a villager, look at this!" but he's been consistently playing like a villager, with nothing I can find that contradicts it.
* He's been pushing for the village to talk for most of the game, which is always in the best interest of the village.
Conclusion: I feel most confident that he's another villager.
Bigred:
* He's been pushing for a gator lynch since day 1, but hasn't had any reason. I find it suspicious that he voted so quickly for a strong player on day 1, when that seems like such a bad idea (why kill off a strong player so quickly for no reason?)
* There is the suspicious "let me read through the entire day 2 and find the bad guys" post, followed 3 minutes later by "lynch gator". Definitely bizarre that he didn't bother to read through anything and instead just went straight for gator again.
* When bikes was lynched, he temporarily voted for stacks but then rescinded stacks because bikes sounded like a desparate wolf - however, he didn't actually vote for bikes (why did he rescind if his reason was to kill bikes?). Then later he voted for vinland. This entire exchange just seems weird to me -- it's not necessarily wolfy, but definitely strange.
* This exchange was also bizarre, and is representative of his entire participation this game:
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Originally Posted by bigred
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Originally Posted by Vinland
He's basically just throwing lynches around without any explanations or reasons, and when pressed for reasons he just throws out one-liners that don't include any information.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
* He's called out players for not participating, even though he's only provided fluff this game:
* He's been making (poor) excuses the entire game for why he's not participating much, like this one:Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
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Originally Posted by bigred
Conclusion: Not sure. Kiwi is also very suspicious, so I can't say for sure which is the wolf. But in my book, there is definitely a decent percentage change that he's the last wolf, maybe 30%.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
Kiwi:
* Been super-quiet, he has almost no posts of substance this entire game. However, he has been interested enough to periodically jump in and defend himself.
* He voted for TLR earlier in the game, and when called out by Ong (as the revived seer, so he was a confirmed villager) for voting for a likely villager, he didn't bother to change his vote and responded with:
* One of his only strategy posts was discussing wolf/vampire strategy, which has absolutely no value to a villager:Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
If he is a wolf, then at this point he would be new to the game and also be the only active wolf left on the team, so he might be feeling lost and trying to find out who he should be targetting (villagers or vamps).Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwiMark
Conclusion: It's tough to say because Kiwi has given us practically nothing, but I'm going with my gut and saying that kiwi is currently the more likely wolf. My main reason is because of the last point, where he tried to steer the conversation into baddie strategy, which I just don't see a regular villager really bringing up.
This seems like the most damning JKDS post. Pretty great coincidence for gizmo if he turns out to be the baddie.Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
We might have to lynch kiwi though, just because I still have nothing to go on. I think he's been classic lying low wolf.
FYPQuote:
Originally Posted by bigred
We have TWO players with little to go on.
I found the following post when reviewing things this morning. Could be a hint to Gizmo although it's as thin as the accusations against me were.
Then on page 13 (while trying to stay alive) quotes Boog when Boog defends stacks, but doesn't quote gizmo when HE defends stacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by StacksIsn't Justin also a noob?Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
Anyways, yeah I think I'm going to go along with a Lynch Joker. Not great with respect to encouraging new players, but not lynching a noob at this point typically turns into something regrettable later on.
This too is pretty thin. As far as I can tell Stacks never really mentioned Jyms (until he was dead and discovered) or Kiwi and only vaguely mentioned bigred once.
The net is I don't think we can clearly get any solid clues from Stacks' posts.
I am going to look at Gizmo right now.
Gizmo posted this list on Day 1 but it does not include wolf Justin. Wolf mistake?Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
Then made this post shortly after that one
Made the following post later but could have been after the wolves realized Justin wasn't showing upQuote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
He then voted for Justin once the bandwagon got rollingQuote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
Made the following post on Day 2 (JV was one who didn't vote for Justin)
On day 2 he voted for bikes then made the following post:Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
I thought it was interesting that he would include bikes on his top suspect list but then switch his vote to chelle so I looked through Bikes and found this..Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
It's "possible" that the wolves thought bikes could be a TC after this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikes
This theory loses some validation though when Gizmo jumps out and votes for Bikes early on Day 3 and posted again late in the day wondering why Bikes hadn't reached a majority.
His posts on Day 4 seemed pretty villagery and although he somewhat defended stacks at one point I can't find any solid hints from stacks so that could merely be a coincidence.
I stopped looking after Day 4 because the wolf was on his own after that so there shouldn't be much to go on.
Gonna try to get through Bigred's posts before I have to head out for a meeting, but might not get through them. Therefore based solely on the above I think the odds on the remaining wolf are as follows:
Bigred - 45%
Gizmo - 35%
Kiwi - 20%
This was one of two posts of any content on day 1 when we wasn't running with his standard "lynch gator" lines. Could me messages to shotglass or stacks wondering if one of them is the TC, but pretty thin.
I then made this post at the end of Day 1Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
His only other contribution on Day one was this postQuote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
He never voted for Justin on day 1Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
Nothing on Day 2 from Bigred other than continuing his "lynch Gator" line
Made the following post at the beginning of Day 3. It's possible by this time the wolves figured out stacks was the turncoat
That theory also looses plausibility when he votes for stacks (instead of bikes) later in the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
I also find these two posts interesting. Notice the he never votes for bikes. Why is that?
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Originally Posted by bigred
Made the following post at the beginning of Day 4 which I find comical based on his input to date and again minimal content that day.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
Bleh, the position the village is in sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
Oh well, I have to head out for meetings and won't be back until later tonight when I suspect I will be dead at the hands of the baddies. Assuming we are right about JKDS (which I think we are) it sucks that the village win will be decided by the likes of bigred and kiwi.
Oh well, I did what I could.
GL tomorrow village. lynch jkds
Yeah, Ive been a lazy, useless villager. Super duper bummer for those who tried if we lose.
95% of me wants to vote for JKDS. 5% of me wants to vote for Gator so if he turns out to be a baddie, I don't lose to him.
If we compute a weighted equivalence to see which way to vote,
.95 * desire to win this game ? .05 * desire not to lose to gator
The equation quickly changes the ? to a < and I think I have to vote for Gator.
SAY WHAT?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorJH
That 3? Gl guys, if i dont survive i still maintain that gizmo should be next.
Yeah, lynch gator
If we lose this game...
http://icanhascheezburger.files.word...11a27a2b75.jpg
I need to post more lolcats next game
sayz the last werewolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigred
lynch gator