*** Werewolves and Vampires II: Gameplay Thread ***

[crazzvette]

At this stage of the game , i'm playing it safe and not going to vote . Still unsure who is who , i figured that with there being 7 players :

3 baddies
4 villagers

If the baddies know who there are , they will tend to stick together and vote one of us villagers off . There fore i'll wait to see who votes for who and see where the forth vote needs to be to settle the winning lynch . The village needs to win this game and we have to stick together to do so .

[BooG690]

She may be a worse player than SDM. Reading her posts are hysterical.

[GatorJH]

Agreed. We may NEED to lynch her today. Can you imagine how bad it would be for the village if we REALLY needed her?

[crazzvette]

I may be a true blonde but not as dumb as one . I've dyed my hair brunette and my friends and i like my look .

We can't afford to lose any more villagers at this point , we have to play smart and decide together who are the last vampwolfs . Otherwise we will lose our village to them .

[GatorJH]

At this stage of the game , i'm playing it safe and not going to vote .

We can't afford to lose any more villagers at this point , we have to play smart and decide together who are the last vampwolfs . Otherwise we will lose our village to them .

If there was enough time I would switch my vote to you in a heartbeat.

After these two posts you absolutely HAVE to be a baddie.

[NightGizmo]

We still have 4 hours, and I've already stated that I think crazz is a baddie.

rescind jkds, lynch crazz

[crazzvette]

If there was enough time I would switch my vote to you in a heartbeat.

After these two posts you absolutely HAVE to be a baddie.

Implying these 2 comments makes me wonder if your a baddy and trying to swing the votes to me in hopes that we lose another villager (which i am all) and then gives the baddies the advantage of maybe winning this game . Hopefully the rest of us villagers can see what your implying and maybe they can see the errors of your ways , gl village , were going to need it if he gets his way .

[NightGizmo]

Implying these 2 comments makes me wonder if your a baddy and trying to swing the votes to me in hopes that we lose another villager (which i am all) and then gives the baddies the advantage of maybe winning this game . Hopefully the rest of us villagers can see what your implying and maybe they can see the errors of your ways , gl village , were going to need it if he gets his way .

He's stating that you're a baddie, nothing is implied.

[GatorJH]

If you are a villager then you deserve the blame for the loss by refusing to engage in helping.

rescind gizmo, lynch crazyv

[bigred]

lynch crazzv

Gator or nightgizmo tomorrow, imo

[bigred]

Reasoning being that it hurts my brains to read those posts. Much rather lose to baddies if she turns out to be a villager.

[crazzvette]

lynch crazzv

Gator or nightgizmo tomorrow, imo

There won't be a tommorrow , if you lynch me today , baddies will even the field and to night they have a kill to get the win . With that i have to hope that gizmo is a baddy . gl village .

lynch gizmo

[GatorJH]

Gator or nightgizmo tomorrow, imo

Outside of the standard "I always want to lynch Gator" why do you think I should be lynched?

[crazzvette]

Maybe Gizmo and Bigred are working together , one of them have to go , and today .

[JKDS]

Explain how you go from trying to find people, to knowing one of gizmo and red have to go. What has bigred done besides vote for you?

[crazzvette]

Explain how you go from trying to find people, to knowing one of gizmo and red have to go. What has bigred done besides vote for you?

Gater always did have issues with Gizmo
Bigred had issues with my grammar as well as me being female , which makes me wonder what that really has to do with this game besides just to justify to swing votes my way .
Boog as JKDS both have had previous problems with Red and Gizmo in the past from previous post .
I believe that there are working inconjuction with each other some how.

[crazzvette]

Outside of the standard "I always want to lynch Gator" from Bigred , why do you think I should be lynched?

Sorry Gater but it looks like the baddies will win if i get lynched today .
I'm quite sure your a villager as us but it looks like they will lynch you tommorrow anyways for the win , grrrrrrrrrr .

[wufwugy]

crazz - gizmo
bigred - crazz
gator - crazz
gizmo - crazz
jkds -gizmo
boog - jkds

no vote - kiwi

giz 2
crazz 3
jkds 1

day ends in about 11 minutes, any votes at 3:00 or beyond will not count

[JKDS]

I mean, ok. We're here.

Its unlikely that two of kiwi, bigred, crazy are baddies. If we're wrong here, its 1:2:3, then either 2:3, or 1:2:2. We can still win in one situatios, though it aint easy. We'll need a full village majority to do anything and im not sure we can count on everyone being likeminded. We lose in the 2nd though, and theres really nothing we can do if thats the case.

If crazys flip is beneficial though....then either 1:1:4 0:2:4 going to night at 1:4, 1:1:3, or 2:3. Those are all winable, and some allow us wiggle room.

Alright.

lynch crazzy

If you turn townie, we can look into this bigred-gizmo story. If no vamp is dead then there is a team of two still out there and we should have some voting histories to check for. Wolf, then cool. Vamp, then we know gizmo/red are probably not your partner. TC then, i dont even know. Lets see

[JKDS]

Inb4 lol jkds nailed another coffin. fuck all ya all

[wufwugy]

Between her busy schedule of studying literature and recreation with BDSM, crazzvette still found the time to play a game of Werewolf with the unwashed masses on an internet forum. However, because her mode of genius could find no translation for them, they killed her

The Living

bigred
boog
gator
jkds
kiwimark
nightgizmo

The Dead

JustinSKS Werewolf lynched on Day 1
Rong Vampire nom'd by Werewolves on Night 1
Joker131 Sorcerer modkilled on Night 1
OngBonga Seer lynched on Day 2
Jackvance Werewolf killed by Vampires on Night 2
Jyms Vampire shot by Vigilante on Night 2
OngBonga Spawned Villager revived by Necromancer on Night 2
Bikes Villager lynched on Day 3
Pascal Villager nom'd by Werewolves on Night 3
Necromancer Shotglass lynched on Day 4
Turncoat Werewolf Stacks shot by Vigilante on Night 4
Chelle Villager killed by Vampires on Night 4
Vinland Vigilante lynched on Day 5
OngBonga Spawn auto-died on Day 5
TLR Villager has been nom'd by the Werewolves on Night 5
Crazzvette Vampire lynched on Day 6

The Village

1 Werewolf
1 Turncoat Vampire
4 Villagers

It is now Night 6. The Turncoat Vampire is now a full-fledged vampire who takes over the team's night killing phase. Turncoat Vampire, please PM me with your kill by this time tomorrow. Y'all may talk, but no hunting

[wufwugy]

Oh BTW I guess it's usual for the mod to say OMG CONGRATS TO TEH VILLA FUR LYNCHERING DERE FURST BADDIE (justin didn't count...)

[bigred]

Boom motherfucking headshot

[JKDS]

wow, lul

[GatorJH]

Boom motherfucking headshot

This IMO

[GatorJH]

That was about the best result we could hope for (i.e. better than nabbing the other wolf because the wolf now has a shot at hitting the TC).

[GatorJH]

and vice verse of course.

Triple post ftw

[wufwugy]

In Soviet Korea, Vampire kill Boooooooooog

The Living

bigred
gator
jkds
kiwimark
nightgizmo

The Dead

JustinSKS Werewolf lynched on Day 1
Rong Vampire nom'd by Werewolves on Night 1
Joker131 Sorcerer modkilled on Night 1
OngBonga Seer lynched on Day 2
Jackvance Werewolf killed by Vampires on Night 2
Jyms Vampire shot by Vigilante on Night 2
OngBonga Spawned Villager revived by Necromancer on Night 2
Bikes Villager lynched on Day 3
Pascal Villager nom'd by Werewolves on Night 3
Necromancer Shotglass lynched on Day 4
Turncoat Werewolf Stacks shot by Vigilante on Night 4
Chelle Villager killed by Vampires on Night 4
Vinland Vigilante lynched on Day 5
OngBonga Spawn auto-died on Day 5
TLR Villager has been nom'd by the Werewolves on Night 5
Crazzvette Vampire lynched on Day 6
Boog Villager killed by Turncoat Vampire on Night 6

The Village

1 Werewolf
1 Turncoat Vampire
3 Villagers

It is now Day 7. The player pool is now small enough to not impose a time limit

3 votes to lynch

[GatorJH]

My top two choices at this point are gizmo and bigred with kiwi a pretty close third.

Btw, if anyone still thinks I am the TC you are clearly not paying attention to the game.

[NightGizmo]

Btw, if anyone still thinks I am the TC you are clearly not paying attention to the game.

You aren't -- JKDS is the vamp turncoat. He signaled his teammates in his first post, after jyms voted to lynch his known teammate, crazz.

Lynch Jyms

Crazy v is an accepted member of the ftr community and is here to stay. Shes one of us now bro

[NightGizmo]

He defends crazz, or at least tries to turn attention away from her or delay any action against her.

Yeah, im not seeing anything but fluff from crazyv. But then again, im not seeing anything but fluff from most players.

Crazy v could be vamp. But so could kiwi/bigred. I have no clue about those two.

And cv has so much weird shit going on that i just dont even know. Out of these three, who kills chelle? Thats the question we need to answer later, and it should be sitting in the back of our minds.

Also in case anyone missed it, we're not lynching out of kiwi crazy bigred because its more likely the other players are a wolf or vamp tc than it is that one of them is a vamp just based on probability. Also, we know nothing about them, and would be going blind.

The only reason he voted for crazz at the end was because he realized that she was going to be lynched anyway and he didn't want to be on the wrong side of the vote. He had a simple choice -- keep his vote on me and have her lynched as a vamp anyway, or switch his vote and then try to hide behind the lynch by being able to say, "But my vote was the one that lynched her!" Plus he gets the bonus of taking over as the controlling vamp so that crazz won't go and waste a nom again.

[NightGizmo]

Also, his voting record is pretty bad -- he started day 2 by voting to lynch Ong for no reason (which as a villager, doesn't make a whole lot of sense, especially if he's trying to keep a low profile) and never budged from it, which ended up taking down the seer.

I also don't believe that JKDS' majority vote against Vinland was an accident. When he voted to lynch Justin in a field of 20, he knew that his was the final vote:

Lynch Justin

BOOM

But then when the field is halved and he has his so-called special powers (so he's paying more attention to the game, most people would reasonably expect), he suddenly isn't keeping count anymore when he votes to lynch a player that is hinting at being a special?

Lolwtf? rescind gizmo, lynch vinland. If u are a secret role, u should out. Otherwise I see no reason why its a huge mistake.

Looks to me like he wanted that special dead but wanted plausible deniability over making it happen.

[JKDS]

First: No. Ive been pretty outspoken about ftr bans in the past, and take all threats about them pretty seriously. Ive thought theyve been too liberal with ban hammers, specifically ignoring the 3 strikes rule, and I have disagreed with many of the random banhammers against posters out of the blue. Crazy has been posting a lot, and its unfair to be threatening bans especially when comparing her to any of the other posters that actually do deserve the hammer. Im not gonna stay silent while a threat like that is made, and while i have no influence outside of the game, i can certainly vote him for it inside.

2nd point: No, you were clearly a better lynch than crazy up until probably when she voted you. Gator didnt steer the wagon onto crazy as the TC, thats obvious. However, you only voted her to save your skin because my wagon wasnt going anywhere and gator expressed interest in killing her off.

3rd point: I have no incentive to vote for or against crazy except to end the day.

4th point: My voting record is spotty? Really? Ive voted for stax, justin, jyms, and JV.

Heres a cool question though

Hey gizmo: Why dont you care about who the wolf is? Youve been tunneling me for awhile now, and are now convinced im the vamp tc. Thats cool. But how come you arent also concerned about who the wolf is?

I think its because its you. I havent forgotten about how you decided to vote me prior to a request for my role to be confirmed either. All you have been concerned about for awhile now is getting me lynched, and attacking my credibility as the town's only remaining confirmed villager.

[NightGizmo]

I don't know who the last wolf is. But it's obvious who is the last vampire, so I'm making sure the village knows it. FWIW, I think Gator is a villager. So that leaves bigred or kiwi as the possible wolf.

I havent forgotten about how you decided to vote me prior to a request for my role to be confirmed either

When has a mod every confirmed someone's role before they died? Gator already pointed it out, too -- wuf ignored other questions about the existence of a secret role, there was no point indulging your attempt to delay votes against you.

[JKDS]

@Gator: Kiwi is typically more....i dunno...animated? He seems like hes really disinterested here which might be a sign of trying to hide...but i think hes just bored really.

Gizmo>>>>>Bigred>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kiwi imo. I dunno what to think about you anymore. Im gonna reread and try to figure it out, but obv not tc.

Lynch gizmo

[NightGizmo]

Seriously, I don't know how anyone can ignore this now that we know both jyms and crazz are vamps.

Crazy v is an accepted member of the ftr community and is here to stay. Shes one of us now bro

He's speaking to jyms, calls him bro, and says that crazzvette is one of them. Find me any other hints to jyms or crazzvette that are even a fraction this obvious.

[NightGizmo]

lynch jkds

[JKDS]

Attempt to delay votes? Its not a question that matter-of-factly validates me, its a question whose answer implied confirmation. For all you know, he would have said "no, secret roles do not exist". And you didnt care.

[JKDS]

If i have to dig up my outrage about ipoq and daven's bannings ill get them for you.

[NightGizmo]

Attempt to delay votes? Its not a question that matter-of-factly validates me, its a question whose answer implied confirmation. For all you know, he would have said "no, secret roles do not exist". And you didnt care.

If there are secret roles, there is about a 0% chance that wuf would confirm them -- that's why they are called "secret". But if there are no secret roles and wuf decides to admit that, then there is a 100% chance that I'm voting to lynch you. So the timing on my vote shows nothing. Logic ftw!

If i have to dig up my outrage about ipoq and daven's bannings ill get them for you.

Instead, find a quote from somebody else alive that was trying to signal jyms or crazz. If you're the TC, then obviously your outrage is just a cover for your signal to your teammates, and you knew that jyms could make that comment while reassuring crazz that he had no intention of banning her in the vamp-den.

[JKDS]

Except you dont know that its a 0% chance hed confirm them. And admission that there arent any is a very relevant factor in voting me. The timing of your vote is highly relevant, because as a villager that information would matter! If he denied it, then i couldnt be real, and you wouldnt be guessing anymore! Of course you would care!

As to your next point, im rereading in a bit. Gator had some hints that struck out, but he doesnt switch the lynch to crazy like that as the TC. Also, you are assuming the TC hinted at all, which was not the case with Stax.

[JKDS]

I should add that you wouldnt care at all as a wolf/vamp. The reason being that if he said anything EXCEPT no, then you would have a hard time lynching me. A confirmed special that you have problems killing is clearly something you dont want

[GatorJH]

I know about jyms! He eat babies! Just like boog! Lynch boog!

This quote is also pretty damning.

[bigred]

I don't know who the last wolf is. But it's obvious who is the last vampire, so I'm making sure the village knows it. FWIW, I think Gator is a villager. So that leaves bigred or kiwi as the possible wolf.



When has a mod every confirmed someone's role before they died? Gator already pointed it out, too -- wuf ignored other questions about the existence of a secret role, there was no point indulging your attempt to delay votes against you.

Well if this is the case, than kiwi is the wolf. I feel like it's pretty obvious I'm a villager by now. I'm a little confused how people think I'm suspicious. Also confused how I've managed to live this long...

[GatorJH]

Kiwi, you need to start participating.

For today I think we need to lynch JKDS. There are multiple clues that point to him being the TC and we need to validate that. If he is indeed a villager and is telling the truth about his secret role then we have a 50% shot of keeping him alive.

[bigred]

Kiwi, you need to start participating.

For today I think we need to lynch JKDS. There are multiple clues that point to him being the TC and we need to validate that. If he is indeed a villager and is telling the truth about his secret role then we have a 50% shot of keeping him alive.

Is it a 50% chance of dying by lynch or baddie nom? I thought it was just baddie nom but I don't feel like looking up his old post.

[GatorJH]

I am pretty sure I remember him making a post that if the village lynched him he had a 50% chance of surviving.

[bigred]

Seems like that makes him a better lynch candidate, no?

[bigred]

Given that he's suspicious, I'd like to add.

[GatorJH]

"JKDS: You are the secret role: The Wufinator. You are a villager, however, upon reaching Day 5 all attempts to kill you have a 50% chance of failing".
^^paraphrase, no rule violation imo

Here is his first post.

[GatorJH]

Let's assume JKDS is the turncoat. Bigred, kiwi and gizmo. I would like to hear your thoughts on who you think the vamp is and why. I will look through things later tonight or tomorrow morning and post mine.

[JKDS]

1 wolf, 1 vamp, 3 villagers. If you lynch me, and I die, the village has lost. We'd go into a 1wolf,

[JKDS]

.......

We'd go into 1wolf, 1 vamp, 2 villagers, and then the night kill could lead us to 1wolf, 1 vamp, 1 villager. In that situation, the village will never win. Even in the situation where they kill the vamp, if the wolf is hidden with 1w and 2 villagers, we probably lose.

Yeah, if i survive we're in better shape. But not by much.

[GatorJH]

There won't be a tommorrow , if you lynch me today , baddies will even the field and to night they have a kill to get the win .

standard line

[GatorJH]

maybe you should focus your argument on why you can't be the TC.

[GatorJH]

where are kiwi and gizmo?

[NightGizmo]

I've been enjoying my weekend and I haven't been at my computer much since Friday night. I have some stuff to take care of, but later today or tonight I'm going to go back through the thread and post my thoughts.

[wufwugy]

I wasn't planning on this Day being limitless, and realized I should have imposed the normal deadline for Monday. But because I didn't, you'll get an extra day more than normal. Day 7 will end at 3:00 PM PST on Tuesday

[NightGizmo]

Gator:

* He voted for Ong but switched off when he outed as seer.
* He pushed for lynching crazz a few times before she was finally lynched, and also predicted that she was the last vampire. At the time she wasn't much of a lynch target, so pushing for her death would not be something the vamp turncoat does.
* I don't see anything else that would indicate that he's the wolf. I can't find any clear-cut quotes that say "Omg, he's a villager, look at this!" but he's been consistently playing like a villager, with nothing I can find that contradicts it.
* He's been pushing for the village to talk for most of the game, which is always in the best interest of the village.

Conclusion: I feel most confident that he's another villager.

[NightGizmo]

Bigred:

* He's been pushing for a gator lynch since day 1, but hasn't had any reason. I find it suspicious that he voted so quickly for a strong player on day 1, when that seems like such a bad idea (why kill off a strong player so quickly for no reason?)
* There is the suspicious "let me read through the entire day 2 and find the bad guys" post, followed 3 minutes later by "lynch gator". Definitely bizarre that he didn't bother to read through anything and instead just went straight for gator again.
* When bikes was lynched, he temporarily voted for stacks but then rescinded stacks because bikes sounded like a desparate wolf - however, he didn't actually vote for bikes (why did he rescind if his reason was to kill bikes?). Then later he voted for vinland. This entire exchange just seems weird to me -- it's not necessarily wolfy, but definitely strange.
* This exchange was also bizarre, and is representative of his entire participation this game:

lynch vinland
Gonna be hard to top him as the most suspicious

What's so suspicious?

You, bro

He's basically just throwing lynches around without any explanations or reasons, and when pressed for reasons he just throws out one-liners that don't include any information.

* He's called out players for not participating, even though he's only provided fluff this game:

Kiwi, Crazz, and nightgizmo need to start talkin'!

* He's been making (poor) excuses the entire game for why he's not participating much, like this one:

Gator or nightgizmo tomorrow, imo

Reasoning being that it hurts my brains to read those posts. Much rather lose to baddies if she turns out to be a villager.

Conclusion: Not sure. Kiwi is also very suspicious, so I can't say for sure which is the wolf. But in my book, there is definitely a decent percentage change that he's the last wolf, maybe 30%.

[NightGizmo]

Kiwi:

* Been super-quiet, he has almost no posts of substance this entire game. However, he has been interested enough to periodically jump in and defend himself.
* He voted for TLR earlier in the game, and when called out by Ong (as the revived seer, so he was a confirmed villager) for voting for a likely villager, he didn't bother to change his vote and responded with:

what difference does it make if my vote stays with TLR or goes with nobody, at this stage?

* One of his only strategy posts was discussing wolf/vampire strategy, which has absolutely no value to a villager:

And yeah I guess it's pretty obviously villagery but that's a luxury I can afford, being the most handsome villager. Am I missing something or do bad-guy teams have way more incentive to be trying to nom potential members of other bad guy teams rather than villagery-looking people, specials aside?

If he is a wolf, then at this point he would be new to the game and also be the only active wolf left on the team, so he might be feeling lost and trying to find out who he should be targetting (villagers or vamps).

Conclusion: It's tough to say because Kiwi has given us practically nothing, but I'm going with my gut and saying that kiwi is currently the more likely wolf. My main reason is because of the last point, where he tried to steer the conversation into baddie strategy, which I just don't see a regular villager really bringing up.

[bigred]

Seriously, I don't know how anyone can ignore this now that we know both jyms and crazz are vamps.



He's speaking to jyms, calls him bro, and says that crazzvette is one of them. Find me any other hints to jyms or crazzvette that are even a fraction this obvious.

This seems like the most damning JKDS post. Pretty great coincidence for gizmo if he turns out to be the baddie.

We might have to lynch kiwi though, just because I still have nothing to go on. I think he's been classic lying low wolf.

[GatorJH]

We might have to lynch bigred though, just because we still have nothing to go on. I think he's been classic lying low wolf.

FYP

We have TWO players with little to go on.

[GatorJH]

I found the following post when reviewing things this morning. Could be a hint to Gizmo although it's as thin as the accusations against me were.

As I said, I don't plan on lynching any new players on Day 1 without a good reason. Are any new players missing from this list?

chelle
crazzvette
pascal
vinland
joker131

Isn't Justin also a noob?

Anyways, yeah I think I'm going to go along with a Lynch Joker. Not great with respect to encouraging new players, but not lynching a noob at this point typically turns into something regrettable later on.

Then on page 13 (while trying to stay alive) quotes Boog when Boog defends stacks, but doesn't quote gizmo when HE defends stacks.

This too is pretty thin. As far as I can tell Stacks never really mentioned Jyms (until he was dead and discovered) or Kiwi and only vaguely mentioned bigred once.

The net is I don't think we can clearly get any solid clues from Stacks' posts.

I am going to look at Gizmo right now.

[GatorJH]

As I said, I don't plan on lynching any new players on Day 1 without a good reason. Are any new players missing from this list?

chelle
crazzvette
pascal
vinland
joker131

Gizmo posted this list on Day 1 but it does not include wolf Justin. Wolf mistake?

Then made this post shortly after that one

I like lynching someone quiet on day 1. joker and justinsks haven't even bothered to show up yet, but I don't like wasting a lynch on possible modkills this early.

Made the following post later but could have been after the wolves realized Justin wasn't showing up

No modkills? That changes things a little bit. Silent noobs are definitely good targets now. Joker and Justinsks are both nearly silent, so either one is good for me unless they start chiming in with good posts.

He then voted for Justin once the bandwagon got rolling

Made the following post on Day 2 (JV was one who didn't vote for Justin)

The entire wagon happened in a few short hours, so I don't think it's too suspicious for those that didn't vote for justin. It's definitely worth noting, but it's not a smoking gun. I want a better reason for a Day 2 lynch then "you didn't vote for the wolf on the day 1 lynch."

On day 2 he voted for bikes then made the following post:

rescind bikes

My top choices at this moment:

bikes: hasn't posted real content, but I can't argue with his crazzvette lynch.
crazzvette: somehow has a lot of posts but has only been talking about pies and writing romance posts, nothing constructive towards finding the baddies. THE GOAL IS TO FIND THE WOLVES/VAMPIRES AND LYNCH THEM.
chelle: very low post count, no content that provides value to the village. Jyms has a great point -- she's active in the forum but not in this thread. Wolves are often quiet, because it's hard to keep up a web of lies.

I'm torn between crazzvette and chelle -- I want to lynch crazzvette more, but I think chelle is the better lynch.

lynch chelle

I thought it was interesting that he would include bikes on his top suspect list but then switch his vote to chelle so I looked through Bikes and found this..

lynch shotglass

obvious wolf.

It's "possible" that the wolves thought bikes could be a TC after this post.

This theory loses some validation though when Gizmo jumps out and votes for Bikes early on Day 3 and posted again late in the day wondering why Bikes hadn't reached a majority.

His posts on Day 4 seemed pretty villagery and although he somewhat defended stacks at one point I can't find any solid hints from stacks so that could merely be a coincidence.

I stopped looking after Day 4 because the wolf was on his own after that so there shouldn't be much to go on.

Gonna try to get through Bigred's posts before I have to head out for a meeting, but might not get through them. Therefore based solely on the above I think the odds on the remaining wolf are as follows:

Bigred - 45%
Gizmo - 35%
Kiwi - 20%

[GatorJH]

This was one of two posts of any content on day 1 when we wasn't running with his standard "lynch gator" lines. Could me messages to shotglass or stacks wondering if one of them is the TC, but pretty thin.

Also weird notables:

Shotglass not posting much and lying low
Stax actually posting

I then made this post at the end of Day 1

you sticking with a Gator lynch is indicative of how you act when you are wolf. As a villager you may start with a lynch Gator but give it up and try to add value when it isn't working.

His only other contribution on Day one was this post

Jymz certainly did sweat on day 1. Be interesting to see what happens with him in the future.

He never voted for Justin on day 1

Nothing on Day 2 from Bigred other than continuing his "lynch Gator" line

Made the following post at the beginning of Day 3. It's possible by this time the wolves figured out stacks was the turncoat

Shouldn't we be looking more at who didn't want to kill jymz than who wanted to kill ong?

That theory also looses plausibility when he votes for stacks (instead of bikes) later in the day.

I also find these two posts interesting. Notice the he never votes for bikes. Why is that?

Rescind stax

Sorry, bikes. That smells of wolf desperation.

Lynch Vinland

Lie lower please

Made the following post at the beginning of Day 4 which I find comical based on his input to date and again minimal content that day.

Kiwi, Crazz, and nightgizmo need to start talkin'!

Bleh, the position the village is in sucks.

[GatorJH]

Oh well, I have to head out for meetings and won't be back until later tonight when I suspect I will be dead at the hands of the baddies. Assuming we are right about JKDS (which I think we are) it sucks that the village win will be decided by the likes of bigred and kiwi.

Oh well, I did what I could.

GL tomorrow village. lynch jkds

[bigred]

Yeah, Ive been a lazy, useless villager. Super duper bummer for those who tried if we lose.

95% of me wants to vote for JKDS. 5% of me wants to vote for Gator so if he turns out to be a baddie, I don't lose to him.

[bigred]

If we compute a weighted equivalence to see which way to vote,

.95 * desire to win this game ? .05 * desire not to lose to gator

The equation quickly changes the ? to a < and I think I have to vote for Gator.

[bigred]

I can't get on FTR at work and was too busy to get in on my iPhone to catch the early game antics.

My thoughts are as follows:

Chelle is definitely too quiet so I can get on board with that lynch.

I could hang out with vette and thought her post was very original.

Jyms confuses me, but as I mentioned early if he is a wolf it will be very evident later on.

But more than anything else Ong's defense posts seem way to weak for me to ignore so I am going to go with a lynch ong, but may switch to chelle.

SAY WHAT?!?!

[JKDS]

That 3? Gl guys, if i dont survive i still maintain that gizmo should be next.

[bigred]

Yeah, lynch gator

[bigred]

If we lose this game...



I need to post more lolcats next game

[GatorJH]

Yeah, lynch gator

sayz the last werewolf.

[JKDS]

lynch gator