I always get floated :[

[AFchung]

How do we play the turn?

Villain is 24/4

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Hero (MP1) ($50)
MP2 ($50.75)
CO ($24.50)
Button ($50)
SB ($64.95)
BB ($27.25)
UTG ($181.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8, 8
1 fold, Hero bets $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 7, Q, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, Button calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.75) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

River: ($16.75) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $16.75 | Rake: $0.80

[badgers]

bet turn as played call river so many missed draws...

[Airles™]

Your 8s may be good here. By check/calling the turn, you basically told him you didn't have a Q. Villain could very well have a Q but if he's a good player, he'll recognize this and use that river Q to his advantage. At least that's what I'd do if I was him. But I suck so... :P

[mixchange]

bet turn call river

and no way is he floating you considering his turn bet size. lol. this player doesnt even know what a float is.

[Airles™]

Also, I don't mind check/calling the flop then leading the turn here depending on what opponent's PF calling range. At least you could attempt to take control of the pot this way. With a hand like 88, this may be a good situation to take this kind of line and you may even get him to fold the better hand.

[AFchung]

why are we betting the turn? aren't we just value towning ourselves against Qx which makes up a great portion of his range?

and when he calls turn what is our play on the river if a draw doesn't come in?

[XTR1000]

check flop anyone?

[AFchung]

check flop anyone?

i take this line a lot (leak?) and its always fun to have an overcard fall on the turn

[XTR1000]

worry about ranges, not about your cards

check flop anyone?

are we c/cing all three streets if he gaybets them like that?

btw I call river here

[XTR1000]

what about c/f flop?

[Beck]

what about c/f flop?

I like it. We have to choose a precentage of our missed sets and just check them. Can't C-bet everytime.

As played call river. I bet more often than not he does not have a Q. Hell 2 of them are all ready out there.

-beck

[oskar]

head s-plode @ c/f flop

I think it's all fine.
I call river

[mcatdog]

I bet turn, call river as played like everyone said.

what about c/f flop?

I like it.

[Deuce Blue]

Jumping in here where I don't belong I'm sure but I'll ask anyway.

In Moshmans book (and I know that is for tourneys not cash games) This kind of situation was mentioned I'm pretty sure (I will have to look for sure when I get off work) But I believe he said this is a spot he likes to check, reraise the flop. The situation being a pocket pair with 2 undercards and no Ace or King hitting on the flop.

Is that a possible line or is that really more of a S&G thing (or am I imagining that completely)?

[Beck]

Jumping in here where I don't belong I'm sure but I'll ask anyway.

In Moshmans book (and I know that is for tourneys not cash games) This kind of situation was mentioned I'm pretty sure (I will have to look for sure when I get off work) But I believe he said this is a spot he likes to check, reraise the flop. The situation being a pocket pair with 2 undercards and no Ace or King hitting on the flop.

Is that a possible line or is that really more of a S&G thing (or am I imagining that completely)?

small hand, small pot

[oskar]

I don't really see the merit of c/r here... But I don't really c/r as the pfr much anyway, unless I have a specific reason to, and that is very opponent dependent... But it's a fun move to think about... much like c/c, donk turn... people don't know what to do there because they don't expect a regular to have much of a range they could be doing that with.

I don't really like it with that hand though, because it's a fine value hand, and by c/r you create difficult spots where your hand might still have showdown value because it's kind of a monkey move and they won't give you much credit.
In some spots you can c/r marginal hands against some opponents to go to showdown more cheaply... but it's more of a limit poker move because bloating the pot doesn't limit your future decisions... and I don't really think it's good in this situation anyway.

[badgers]

yeah i hate c/r here. It doesn't really accomplish anything helpful, in a sng when the c/r size would be a shove it is great because we get them to bet and then we shove with a hand with decent equity (considering that there are draws in his range). However, with this much money behind it just puts us in a position to get owned and we're going to get looked up fairly lightly becuase a c/r looks a lot like a draw.

[oskar]

But I'd still rather c/r KQ, JQ < 100bb deep because you might get a hero call from 88-JJ

[BennyLaRue]

I always get floated :[

I haven't seen anything about his flop bet size. You guys like a half-pot bet there?

[jyms]

How do you play your AQ, 77 and 55 hands here? He bet small to get a cheap river card to a draw would be my guess. I fire two here at least. As you move up you will see that a Cbet means shit and many players are looking to see cheap showdowns or wait to "evaluate" as they have been told many times. C/C this turn is probably the worst play you could make because you would never do this with anything better.

Fire two and start getting value form draws, start C/C, C/F and C/R more rivers. These hands are much easier to play when you do.

[badgers]

I always get floated :[

I haven't seen anything about his flop bet size. You guys like a half-pot bet there?

no and if this is AFCs standard bet size oop it's no wonder he gets played back at a lot.

[jyms]

I"m willing to bet it is and he plays bigger hands different when they do float. Easy read if so.

[BennyLaRue]

I always get floated :[

I haven't seen anything about his flop bet size. You guys like a half-pot bet there?

no and if this is AFCs standard bet size oop it's no wonder he gets played back at a lot.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at but NL isn't really my game. Ez to fix, op.

[AFchung]

I always get floated :[

I haven't seen anything about his flop bet size. You guys like a half-pot bet there?

no and if this is AFCs standard bet size oop it's no wonder he gets played back at a lot.

hmm maybe

lets assume that pot is $5 even then. what would be a good standard cbet size?

i would do what i usually do (60%ish) and go for $3

[Beck]

If I was to C-bet that flop and pot, which I would about 80% of the time, I would make it atleast $3.50. most likely between $3.5 and $3.9
I recently am liking less round numbers in my betting.

-beck

I'd go 3.5 when I'm playing, but upon further review I've determined that the best bet size is 3.8 (80% pot)

[Beck]

^ I like it,

lol

[Deanglow]

please don't ever check this flop. We're so far ahead of his range and c/c down is horrible

just call donks down when they bet a little on each street:
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UTG ($55.10)
MP ($27)
CO ($100)
Button ($54.65)
SB ($48.25)
Hero (BB) ($104.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9
UTG calls $1, MP bets $2.75, 1 fold, Button calls $2.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.75, UTG calls $1.75

Flop: ($11.50) J, J, 6 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button bets $3, Hero calls $3, 2 folds

Turn: ($17.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7, Hero calls $7

River: ($31.50) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7, Hero calls $7

Total pot: $45.50 | Rake: $2.25

Results:
Button had 8, 9 (one pair, Jacks).
Hero had 9, 9 (two pair, Jacks and nines).
Outcome: Hero won $43.25