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    I'll try to find this. ISF - Revision Of ISF Theorem at the bottom


    I do not see why unless he has Ad and a 6 you aren't really thinking of his range then. He can really only have AdQd


    Hmmm, I'm out of position. If I was IP I would have called. Ok so are you bluffing or what? I'd just fold and IP I wouldn't auto say call. I think calling and folding are fine. You'll face an aggressive cbetting strategy when the best you can flop in most cases is a draw or TPGK which is losing to all of his holdings if he has something too


    So you really want me to open up IP with hands such as J8s, 54o, K9o, J5o (NOTE: ADD "against nits")? This seems to fit the aggro part of TAGG but not the Tight part. So when I open these hands and miss flop then ??? or if I hit TPWK then ??? I've never considered myself TAGG or LAGG or any of that. I strongly agree you should think like that. No one has a style. At least they shouldn't. Your play is based on each opponent. So yes, opening a TON of hands will be profitable in this spot. They are only playing like 8% of the time. If you miss the flop then c/f most of the time. Why? Because folding is neutral EV so it doesn't matter as you already exploited their glaring weakness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmind View Post
    I'll try to find this. ISF - Revision Of ISF Theorem at the bottom


    I do not see why unless he has Ad and a 6 you aren't really thinking of his range then. He can really only have AdQd
    I don't get why. He can't have 66, 88, A6s, A8s, JJ+ with a diamond?

    Quote Originally Posted by kmind View Post
    Hmmm, I'm out of position. If I was IP I would have called. Ok so are you bluffing or what? I'd just fold and IP I wouldn't auto say call. I think calling and folding are fine. You'll face an aggressive cbetting strategy when the best you can flop in most cases is a draw or TPGK which is losing to all of his holdings if he has something too
    So don't 3bet here against a nit because I'm only getting called by better? So then what's the point of calling OOP? In case he's doing this with worse? If I call and he cbets and I have TP then what? If I 3bet and he shoves I can fold. If I 3bet and he calls then I'm probably behind. I just don't get calling here.

    Quote Originally Posted by kmind View Post
    So you really want me to open up IP with hands such as J8s, 54o, K9o, J5o (NOTE: ADD "against nits")? This seems to fit the aggro part of TAGG but not the Tight part. So when I open these hands and miss flop then ??? or if I hit TPWK then ??? I've never considered myself TAGG or LAGG or any of that. I strongly agree you should think like that. No one has a style. At least they shouldn't. Your play is based on each opponent. So yes, opening a TON of hands will be profitable in this spot. They are only playing like 8% of the time. If you miss the flop then c/f most of the time. Why? Because folding is neutral EV so it doesn't matter as you already exploited their glaring weakness.
    Got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquach991 View Post
    So don't 3bet here against a nit because I'm only getting called by better? So then what's the point of calling OOP? In case he's doing this with worse? If I call and he cbets and I have TP then what? If I 3bet and he shoves I can fold. If I 3bet and he calls then I'm probably behind. I just don't get calling here.
    This may be something of a ramble so apologies in advance.

    The thing about our actions is understanding the impact they have in increasing or decreasing the range of hands that a villain continues with against us.

    If we 3bet, we'll generally get folds from aces we dominate, most broadways and a bunch of pocket pairs we flip with. So we pick up his raise here and there, but vs any further action be it a call or 4bet for the most part we lose our 3bet and on A-hi/Q-hi boards more besides. We strengthen villain's range and make it easier for him to play his reduced range against us.

    If we flat, even OOP, we keep villain's range the same as his opening range. So hands we're behind, hands we're flipping with, hands we dominate and even better hands he'll have to abandon on unfavourable boards.

    Rather than just thinking about how your particular hand holds up vs his opening range, consider this: what board textures are unfavourable for his range? What boards would he check his range behind on?

    If the board comes 972r, you check and villain checks behind, would you lead the turn if it's a 2? 3? 4? 5? 6? 7? 8? 9? If called, would you bet/fold most rivers? If villains range for cbetting the flop is 77+, and his range for checking back ~66, Ax, Kx, Qx, etc, how do you play vs this? Do you take villains checks as an opportunity to get to showdown or an opportunity take the pot off them? You'd lead a set or pair on the turn for value and/or protection, right? And most nit villains will either know that or see monsters under the bed.

    So, the benefit of keeping villain's range wide is the wider the range, the more flops he misses, and the more marginal decisions he is forced to make.

    Finally, watch for the players who cbet the flop and check the turn a lot. IP you can float the flop and fold the turn to a bet or bet if checked to. OOP it's a little trickier but leading the river after the turn checks through still exploits the wider range of hands you kept the villain on by flatting pf.
    Last edited by Dex; 03-05-2010 at 02:05 PM.
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    So far March is treating me well. Up almost 8 BIs at FR for March so the BR is at about $540. Hopefully FR is not as swongy as 6max so when I do hit a downswing it won't hurt as bad.

    Think I should be super over rolled for my next shot at 25NL? Like $850? Or should I take another shot at about $600 and hope I run good for once when moving up?

    I'm table selecting differenty than before thanks to Jason. I was avoiding the tables with 4+ 20bb stacks. I now seek out those tables and make notes of what they shove with.

    Thanks for the help so far. Also thanks to WeaselT for the email with some reading material.
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