Big Garbage Hand Squeezed Pot

[Genitruc]

Villain is an unknown, haven t noticed him do anything so he s probably not terrible, we ve only been at table for a few orbits together.

PFR is very loose-passive/weak so I'd expect anybody who s aware to be 3-popping anything big pre.

PKR's HHs are unconvertible for the time being so from memory :

eff stacks are 140$

I have on btn, weak rando opens 2.5x utg, 3 callers in front of me (villain is UTG+1)

I make it 13, all fold except for villain

flop is

Villain checks and I tank for a while then check

turn is

villain bets half pot (18ish into about 35)

I tank and call

river is

board now reads

pot is about 72, villain overbet shoves for 110$

thoughts? fwiw i think the turn is the easiest decision in the hand.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I'd fold for sure

[pocketfours]

Fold pre.

As played just station away imo.

[Alexos]

I'd fold as well...and there is some merit to raising the turn vs an unknown + given his betsize.

[pocketfours]

How convenient that he just happened to stumble on the nuts in this squeezed pot where our preflop action is going to induce maximum spew.

[griffey24]

I'd probably raise turn. People will convince themselves way more often than not that you have clubs, than you having 8x.

Most of the value in flatting this turn is if he's the type to barrel off on a bluff on the river. In which case, if he IS that type, then I'd be tempted to call now.

[nutsinho]

call turn is only play really, and id call riv

[shakesss]

Im in the raising turn camp. I dont think a loose/passive will be bet folding any decent draw, pair/draw here. This would make it easier to take his stack by the river as well. He will probably never put you on an eight either coz "ZOMG he 3b pre and would def bet top pair", ( i think this is what fish think like). I dont mind turn overbet shove either. Loose passive's will probably have a decent opening range UTG+1 as well so he might have 99 1010 type of hands here as well which he might convince himself to call a shove.

[unclesteve]

Most of the value in flatting this turn is if he's the type to barrel off on a bluff on the river. In which case, if he IS that type, then I'd be tempted to call now.

This makes alot of sense to me.

@OP, can you discuss why you decided to 3b pre here? I would have thought our hand was good enough to flat and play pots IP.

[Genitruc]

even in pos our hand is pure shit multiway.

[gabe]

call turn is only play really

hes not playing with experts..

[Genitruc]

hes not playing with experts..

this is a v good point that i should prob have considered at the time