Resistance - Rebel Uprising

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Where the fuck are the game rules for rounds 3 to 5?

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6 Resistance Members and 4 Imperial Spies. Roles are randomly assigned. Spies will be notified of the other spies' identities. However, no communication outside of the game thread (except for sending me mission PMs) is allowed.

There are 5 missions (rounds). Win condition is whoever wins 3 rounds (points) first. Essentially it's a best of 5. Round conditions progress following the below charts:

Rounds:
1: 3 players sent on mission. 1 failure vote required for mission failure.
2. 4 players sent on mission. 1 failure vote required for mission failure.
3. 4 players sent on mission. 1 failure vote required for mission failure.
4. 5 players sent on mission. 2 failure votes required for mission failure.
5. 5 players sent on mission. 2 failure votes required for mission failure.

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I have no idea.

Posting the rules may be the most useful post I make in this game.

[NightGizmo]

This is incredibly tough for the rebels. With so many spies, we have to get pretty lucky to win.

Getting 4 rebels onto a team tonight is extremely tough -- something like 7% (12% if you count me as a rebel and look at the probability of adding 3 more rebels). But that's not taking into consideration the fact that we have at least 1 spy in {boog, jkds, rilla}. If we assume there is 1 spy in that group and continue to assume I have one rebel spot, there's only a 5% chance of getting 3 more rebels onto the team by picking from the remaining players.

This is making my head hurt.

[rong]

The stupidly low probability of getting 4 rebels together for this mission is why I'm sure the strategy needs be based around putting us in a position whereby we somehow have some known rebels by tomorrow. I have no idea how we do this though.

All those who said yay yesterday should be in the potential spy camp. There was just no reason to say yay without a discussion about it first so we could try and come up with a strategy.

How about a mission of only those who said nay?

[OngBonga]

JKDS (leader) - nay
Boog690 - yay
Nightgizmo - yay (sealing vote)
Jackvance - yay
Lolzzz_321 - yay
BankItDrew
Ongbonga - nay
a500lbgorilla - yay
Wufwugy - yay
DanAronG - yay - nay

One thing that has gone uncommented on is gizmo sealing the deal, suppose he would if he knew that either boog or rilla was a spy and JKDS was a rebel.

But something else I noticed...

@#of spies: Obviously 1. There is nothing obvious in any posts from me, rilla, or boog that seems to say "vote this way".

This isn't true. I'll explain after, I don't want to help the spies out.

[lolzzz_321]

ima rebel btw so pick me!

[JKDS]

The stupidly low probability of getting 4 rebels together for this mission is why I'm sure the strategy needs be based around putting us in a position whereby we somehow have some known rebels by tomorrow. I have no idea how we do this though.

All those who said yay yesterday should be in the potential spy camp. There was just no reason to say yay without a discussion about it first so we could try and come up with a strategy.

How about a mission of only those who said nay?

YAY!

But, what do ppl think about who the spy was :/

[JKDS]

Lolz, you soulread the wolves last game. Any idea who the spies are?

[OngBonga]

YAY!

But, what do ppl think about who the spy was :/

JKDS > gorilla > boog

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Same same

[wufwugy]

my read is easy: jkds picked his team, in which he should have been super happy to go yay since he would think he's rebel, then probability of boog or rilla being spies is really, but he didn't. jkds is an fpsing spy

which means boog and rilla are probably not spies

boog chose this one, i am a rebel

vote yay. perhaps it would be better to skip it just on the probabilities as ong pointed out, but i think jv is probably right that the game favors the spies big time, and to win as rebels we have to basically get fancy




as i was trying to say at the end of the day, it looks to me like the game hits the wire with the spies 2-0 the huge majority of the time, and then the rebels are probably favorites to win the last two rounds where two spy-nays are needed. but since it's best out of three, the rebels still have to win one of the first three rounds where only one spy-nay is needed

[wufwugy]

my read is easy: jkds picked his team, in which he should have been super happy to go yay since he would think he's rebel, then probability of boog or rilla being spies is really low, but he didn't. jkds is an fpsing spy

which means boog and rilla are probably not spies

boog chose this one, i am a rebel

vote yay. perhaps it would be better to skip it just on the probabilities as ong pointed out, but i think jv is probably right that the game favors the spies big time, and to win as rebels we have to basically get fancy




as i was trying to say at the end of the day, it looks to me like the game hits the wire with the spies 2-0 the huge majority of the time, and then the rebels are probably favorites to win the last two rounds where two spy-nays are needed. but since it's best out of three, the rebels still have to win one of the first three rounds where only one spy-nay is needed

fmp, added "low". not sure if allowed to edit poasts

[wufwugy]

also best out of five not three. DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I CANT EDIT

[NightGizmo]

One thing that has gone uncommented on is gizmo sealing the deal, suppose he would if he knew that either boog or rilla was a spy and JKDS was a rebel.

I was wondering when someone would bring this up. My reason for voting yay was simple -- it was about a 50/50 chance that we end up with 1 spy in the group (bad outcome) vs. either no spies or 2+ spies (assuming the 2+ spies all vote to kill the mission, either outcome is good for us). Unfortunately we lost that coin toss.

If enough people are concerned that I'm a spy, I can leave myself out of the mission group when I'm leader. But that only applies to a day 2 mission -- if Boog's group passes and we lose tonight, I'll have no choice but to put myself onto the mission because we'll need to try for a 4-rebel group or we lose.

[JKDS]

my read is easy: jkds picked his team, in which he should have been super happy to go yay since he would think he's rebel, then probability of boog or rilla being spies is really low, but he didn't. jkds is an fpsing spy

ARE WE STILL FUCKING ON THIS???

Learn math, for fucks sakes

[JKDS]

Why is it so hard to believe i just made a mistake? Why cant i have woken up, seen the thread waiting for me to make a team, hastily picked my favorites because theres no reason not to, then realized my mistake due to math just 2 hours later? BTW thats what happened

[JKDS]

yay

No matter how you slice it, boog seems least likely to be the spy, and i still think we should be shooting for double failures

[OngBonga]

Are you for real JKDS? From your point of view, you should be telling us that there must be a spy between rilla and boog, but instead you're accepting boog's proposal? JKDS must be a spy, and there must be another on boog's list. I can't see how he doesn't vote nay here, whether spy or rebel, especially since he was so gung ho about me being a spy.

Who's on boog's list?

Myself, gizmo, wuf and dan... wuf is the other yay vote too... hmm this could be telling.

Votes 3/2 in favour of nay at this point, I can't see how we can accept this one.

[JKDS]

Did u miss where i called rilla a spy?

Did u miss where im hoping theres two spys on boogs list, and you being one would aid that goal?

[OngBonga]

If boog is a spy, he's unlikely to pick two spies. I actually agree with you that rilla looks more like a spy than boog, but boog has made two posts, while rilla is getting dirty with the maths. I dunno how you can be confident enough that rilla is a spy to give your vote to boog.

Boog, talk to us more. Who do you think the spy is? Or even, do you think both JKDS and rilla are both spies?

[BooG690]

Boog, how did you think the village was going to approach your group?

I actually thought nothing about how the village would view my group.

And boog, how many spies do you think was in our group?

It's quite obvious to me that there's one spy in the group. The way both Rilla and JKDS are interacting, I can't see both being wolves unless the two are going for an epic level which I don't see happening.

@Boog: Who cares? More importantly, who do you think the spy(s) was?

I think the spy is Rilla more often than anything. JKDS (as a wolf) coming out with logic/math (even if it was wrong) AGAINST a mission HE chose that was sure to fail is never happening. I don't understand how that's construed as wolfy. Perhaps I don't understand the JKDS argument enough.

I'm beginning to like my mission more and more actually. With Wuf and Ong in there, I think we get some information if it fails (which it more than likely will no matter who chooses it). I understand that I'm suspected as being a spy due to the mission failing last night. However, I personally know that I'm not and that my mission is truly composed of four unknowns. With that information, I have to vote yay. I can't be as confident with NightGizmo's identity.

[JKDS]

So ong, bear with me here. Im gonna talk like wuf for a sec.

You think boog is the least likely to be a spy out of Myself, rilla, and boog (i can quote you if necessary) FACT

Thus, you think boog is the most likely to be a rebel out of those three. FACT

Therefore, nay vote boog???

Whats your game?

[JKDS]

In terms of your list boog, i have Ong and Wuf as spies along with Rilla.

Wuf isnt posting anywhere near the amount he usually does. No crazy theories, no back and forths, nothing. This is weird, and would be wolfy in ww and so i think its spy-y in this game.

Ong did something similar but has ramped up since day 2, and is also either onga bonga-ing with his level 0 wolf tactics (that meant he was a villager :/) or legitimately a spy this time.

I like gizmo for a rebel atm. Im mixed on dan.

[JKDS]

rescind yay

Im pretty confident about wuf and ong atm. Im gonna sleep on whether it really is optimal to have two spies go missioning. I think it is, but i originally thought so with the idea that i wouldnt know with any degree of certainty who the spies were. I think ive pegged 3! /wufwuggy

[bigred]

I count

2 yay
3 nay

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nay

I think me, ong, one from mission 1 and a random.

[OngBonga]

Thus, you think boog is the most likely to be a rebel out of those three. FACT

Therefore, nay vote boog???

Whats your game?

Is it that hard to figure out? Boog is more likely to be a spy than anyone other than you and rilla. That's it. That's my game.

Ong did something similar but has ramped up since day 2, and is also either onga bonga-ing with his level 0 wolf tactics (that meant he was a villager :/) or legitimately a spy this time.

It was Easter weekend and I was getting drunk.

Nice try and all, but you're not talking your way out of this. I'm pretty happy you're a spy because otherwise you nay vote this mission by default, and now you're backtracking whilst continuing to point your finger at me, the person who points out that you should be a lot more suspicious of boog, at least if you're a rebel you should be.

[NightGizmo]

Is it that hard to figure out? Boog is more likely to be a spy than anyone other than you and rilla. That's it. That's my game.

This isn't really true, which is why I haven't voted yet -- I'm still trying to wrap my head around this game. As I mentioned before, if we assume that one out of boog/jkds/rilla are spies, then oddly enough there is a better chance of picking a rebel out of that group than the remaining 7. If you actually are a rebel then the numbers get even worse for the remaining players.

1 spy in boog/jkds/rilla --> 33.3% chance of being a spy
3 spies in {all other players except you, if you are a rebel} --> 50% chance of being a spy

[OngBonga]

You're right gizmo, it's likely there was one spy, and your numbers are indeed correct. Bearing in mind boog is the least likely out of the three, based on reads, he's much less likely to be a spy than any random, including yourself of course. So there's a higher chance of boog being honest in his selestion than gizmo next round. In which case I'll rescind nay and back this mission.

yay

@JKDS... I'm still baffled by you backing this one, because if you're a rebel you can eliminate yourself and give boog and rilla 50% (readless) chance of being a spy, compared to 42.8% or whatever 3/7 is for the rest of the pool.

[JKDS]

Im getting tired of repeating myself just because you cant understand what im saying. Wikipedia the term "Probability", and catch up to all the americans in this thread that already know what it is.

Ok are you caught up to everyone ong? You got a basic understanding of simple elementary school probability now? Cool, Lets test it

Suppose there is a 57% chance a random person is a rebel, and a 50% random chance Boog is a rebel. How confident do i have to be in boog's role...to vouch for him over other villagers? Or rather, how confident do i have to be in rilla's role...since its the same question.

Heres a hint, reads can alter probabilities. To make boog a better choice...i have to make up x% of sureness. Whats x?

Its 7. Btw though, right now im thinking its more like 80% chance of boog being a villager. Maybe higher.

@Nay vote this mission by default: We dont have default lines yet. We dont even have a consensus on what we actually WANT to accomplish with this mission. Stop speaking out of your ass, we all know you have no idea what you're talking about.

Now that you voted yay impulsively and worked out some probability (you did look it up right?), how likely is it that a rebel boog picked 2 or more spies? It might surprise you

[NightGizmo]

We dont even have a consensus on what we actually WANT to accomplish with this mission.

What do we want to accomplish this mission? Obviously our goal is either (a) get all rebels (win a mission) or (b) get a lot of spies (to help separate the spies from the rebels). The problem with (b) is that some spies could vote for the mission to succeed, so we still wouldn't really know how many spies are in the group (and we'll have to win the next 3 missions in a row to win the game). But the problem with (a) is that we have such a slim chance of getting it right.

I think we should try to get all rebels. If we manage to hit all rebels, obviously we win because we can just keep picking the same group. And if we end up with spies, then we'll be in the same position as option (b). So I don't see a big advantage to trying to get a large group of spies together for a mission.

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<3 JKDS

[lolzzz_321]

like i said, im a rebel

[OngBonga]

JKDS, this is not an argument about understanding probability, it's a petty squabble about whether we factor reads into our maths. Ok so you're mega confident that boog is a rebel, fine, that explains your yay vote. But when I look at it from your point of view, assuming you're a rebel of course, without factoring in how confident your are that boog is a rebel, I see randoms such as gizmo more likely to be a rebel than boog. Your read on rilla and boog shifts this probability significantly, but that's your read, not mine. I have you at something like 50% rebel, rilla 30% boog 20%, but these numbers are plucked out of thin air, there's no basis. That's why I don't apply my reads into my maths, because reads aren't numbers.

I get probability, I admit I've been pretty fucking lazy so far this game actually applying it and have relied on others to do the hard work, but that's because I'm a lazy stoner.

Ok, so what's the probability of boog picking two spies? I don't fucking know, I can do it but I won't, not right now, I'm baked, I got some real nice bud. Tell me please. I'll estimate it's around 50-50, assuming boog is a rebel. Surprise me.

[JKDS]

What do we want to accomplish this mission? Obviously our goal is either (a) get all rebels (win a mission) or (b) get a lot of spies (to help separate the spies from the rebels). The problem with (b) is that some spies could vote for the mission to succeed, so we still wouldn't really know how many spies are in the group (and we'll have to win the next 3 missions in a row to win the game). But the problem with (a) is that we have such a slim chance of getting it right.

I think we should try to get all rebels. If we manage to hit all rebels, obviously we win because we can just keep picking the same group. And if we end up with spies, then we'll be in the same position as option (b). So I don't see a big advantage to trying to get a large group of spies together for a mission.

So basically, to win its like this

A) We pick all rebels.
--This seems fairly unlikely. All it takes is one slipup and we fail this option. The funny thing is that each successful rebel pick increases the likelihood of the next pick being a spy, so we could be good enough to get 3 rebels but then not be able to beat likelihood of the 4th being a spy.

B) We pick many spies, they double+ vote failure
--It seems more likely that we can pick the spies, but it may be too easy to tell each other how to vote.

C) We pick many spies, they all vote succeed
--This means we have to have more than 1 spy, and they have to level themselves. I think this is less likely to happen than B), but more likely than A).

On the other hand, im personally confident we can pick 4 rebels. I see it like this

JKDS-obv rebel
Boog-rebel
lolz-rebel
JV-rebel

rilla-spy:
ong-spy:
wuf-spy:

Dan-? leaning towards rebel
Gizmo-? leaning towards spy
BID-? leaning towards rebel, but hes saying jack this game

The problem is that 1 mistake is all it takes to fail the mission, and a single failure vote is poor information. Im down to try the current group and hoping for a double or triple failure, but im also willing to give JV a shot at picking 4 rebels (himself included). Im not sure enough on gizmo to let him choose

[JKDS]

Ong you have to apply reads to this game. Thats the only way the village can win. Flat probability heavily favors the spies, to win the village has to be good at finding them....or just lucky.

We already know talking gives information, thats the whole point of long ww days and its NO different here.

Fwiw, odds a rebel boog picks
4 spies 1%
3 spies 16%
2 spies 47%
1 spy 31%
0 spies is 4%

A rebel looking at boogs list, and not being on it, would see
4 spies: 2%
3 spies: 23%
2 spies: 51%
1 spies: 23%
0 spies: 2%

A rebel looking at boogs list, and being on it sees this
3 spies: 7%
2 spies: 43%
1 spies 43%
0 spies 7%

No matter how you look at it, again, random chance favors at least 1 spy...which personally i feel is obvious but im just gonna keep saying it until ppl stop arguing with me about it. You could factor in how its weighted too...in that boog has a chance of being a villager and a chance of being a spy...which only increases the spies chances.

I am all for having fun and taking chances in a game. I am all for pickng a bunch of ppl we think are rebels and having them go on a mission, personally thats more fun imo. All im saying with math, and all i ever meant to say by bringing it up, is that random chance is NOT the way to go unless we're pushing for a double or triple or whatever failure.

Just for fun, if we started out with a group that was 1 and 1 (like say rilla and myself), the chance that the other two ppl on the mission would be
2 spies: 10%
1 spies: 53%
0 spies: 35%

CLIFFS: Random chance overwhelmingly favors 1+ spies being on a mission, and heavily favors 2+ spies. We should push for as many spies as possible, or have some fun and carefully choose who should be on the mission.

[JKDS]

yay

[jackvance]

The problem is that 1 mistake is all it takes to fail the mission, and a single failure vote is poor information.

It is indeed the worst case but it isn't that bad perse, as long as we can use reads to single out the one spy. Take for example that our next mission is a success, this could mean we luckboxed 4 rebels (best case scenario, if this happens then we are sitting pretty to win) but can also mean we got 2 (or 3 but this is unlikely) spies, in which case it gets quite complicated.

And I wouldn't get too hung up on the 'random pick' probabilities at this point though, because:
- the mission can be made by a spy - making an outspoken consensus can counteract this.
- reads: it is hard to quantify but reads are actually also probabilities. (as an example, the best poker player I know irl doesn't actually know the probabilities, he doesn't visit forums etc, but through playing a lot he intuitively can do the right moves though)
My point is that in the first case (spy makes mission) the probabilities don't matter, and in general (our village, or a rebel making mission) the probabilities are too pessimistic because we will incorporate reads.

Im not sure enough on gizmo to let him choose

Again this is countered by all of us getting a consensus of 4 and having him pick those 4. Then it doesn't really matter who the leader is.


Now, I said earlier that we should on day 3 pick the 2 people from mission 1 we think are rebels and put them into the third mission, padded with 2 other people, but reading this thread and thinking about it some more, it might be a good idea to alread do this now. So I'm leaning towards making mission 2 into JKDS + boog + 2 others. Thoughts?

[NightGizmo]

JKDS -- how am I more likely a spy than someone like lolzzz, who's only posts so far are "I'm a rebel"?

[JKDS]

rescind

Im mostly caught on the hang up that we need to be able to trust our mission leader. Even when we decide as a village who should be on the mission, spies have an influence in deciding who we send, and they also have an influence in deciding which of possibly conflicting opinions the leader should pick. But ya, i agree with you regarding the other stuff, and am glad someone else is actually trying to figure this game out.

@gizmo: I believe him! But really, i dont want lolz decidng missions either. Though hes an epic soul reader if rebel

[JKDS]

My above post begins talking to JV. That wasnt clear

[JKDS]

I really like a group of JKDS, JV, Boog, but i dont know about the third. I can be ok with NG

[OngBonga]

This is what happens when I soulread y'all with a spliff and cuppa...

Spies... JKDS, wuf, lolz, BID
Rebels... boog, rilla, dan, gizmo, jv, ongbonga

There's one spy on boog's mission, the very person who started the yay wagon running. JKDS was quick on it too because he likes the 1spy mission. So everyone on the mission bar wuf is a rebel, and rilla and boog are rebels by virtue of JKDS' mission.

rescind yay

nay

[NightGizmo]

I'm fine with having a pre-picked team when I'm leader. I'd prefer to be on it, since I know I'm a rebel. But I'd like to get a decent consensus, to make sure spies aren't having too much sway on the decision.

[NightGizmo]

More interesting probabilities:

The probability of picking 4 rebels:

2 from {boog, jkds, rilla} + 2 from {all others} = 9.52%
1 from {boog, jkds, rilla} + 3 from {all others} = 7.62%

Given that I'm a rebel:

me + 2 from {boog, jkds, rilla} + 2 from {all others} = 16.67%
me + 1 from {boog, jkds, rilla} + 2 from {all others} = 13.33%

Surprisingly, we're better off picking two from the first mission. I was expecting to prove that we should only pick one from that team.

So -- we need everyone to give their thoughts on who they think is the most likely spy out of JKDS, Boog, and Rilla.

[jackvance]

Im mostly caught on the hang up that we need to be able to trust our mission leader. Even when we decide as a village who should be on the mission, spies have an influence in deciding who we send, and they also have an influence in deciding which of possibly conflicting opinions the leader should pick.

Yeah but having a village consensus still beats out having one person decide on his own, for two reasons: having a spy make a mission is really detrimental, and even if a rebel makes a mission there is no saying he'll do better than a consensus, and if we do it with a consensus atleast we know it isn't spy-made plus we know a consensus is made with atleast a majority of rebels.

I really like a group of JKDS, JV, Boog, but i dont know about the third. I can be ok with NG

I can go with this too but I'd like to see more opinions first.

Surprisingly, we're better off picking two from the first mission.

Yeah that was the point from my previous post too. Team from mission 1 has 1 spy out of 3 people vs 3 spies out of 7 people in the remainder.

Btw I am not voting (yet) because I voted on day 1 and there is no danger of being mod-killed for me, this is generally a good idea for others too who voted on day 1 b/c we don't want the day to accidentally end too early (which happened on day 1) when people just pile on. And it's kinda hard to tell the difference between rebels who aren't paying too much attention and just vote or spies who pretend to be like this..

[BankItDrew]

i'm a rebel but have been busy as hell this week and quite frankly, i have no idea how to play this game.

gl rebels

[wufwugy]

more nays than yays looks like spies dont like it

[bigred]

Vote (I think)

2 yay
4 nay

[wufwugy]

yikes, me being 50% of the nays pretty much proves to me the spies don't like this one

im not paying attention to all the maths you guys are doing btw. too many numbers in a game and i stop thinking it's a game. im kinda just flobro'n this one, so to speak

but this round looks like it should definitely be a yay to me just on the fact that that it aint being voted up. either boog is a spy and added another on the list in a plan to vote it down, or we're all rebels. because they cant talk to each other, i doubt the spies would be able to cooperate their votes enough, and it means a couple of them are voting nay simply because they dont want this one to pass

[wufwugy]

^^^ meant to say "me being 50% of the yays"

[wufwugy]

just checked and boog isnt on this round, i thought he was or something. my bad

anyways, i know im a rebel therefore it means that among dana gizmo and ong there are 3 rebels or 2+ spies

the other option is that the spies collectively (somehow or coincidentally) are not trying to yay a wagon that helps them.

[BooG690]

I really like a group of JKDS, JV, Boog, but i dont know about the third. I can be ok with NG

JKDS nominating himself to be on another mission (and people seemingly being OK with it) is fishy as hell since his first mission failed.

[JKDS]

@Boog: its only fishy if you believe me to be a spy.

Lets get back to rilla. Where'd he go? I stopped attacking him for a bit, hes no longer in the thread. Hes not giving his thought process on how we should proceed, hes not directing anything. Hes sitting back, watching us spin our wheels and showing up only to defend himself. This is unlike any Rilla we've seen in the previous ww games. Hes not pointing fingers, hes not discussing strategy, the exact opposite of how every villager rilla has ever played.

Wuf is posting very very minimally compared to what he usually does. Much less fingerpointing as well. Even in the last game, he was hyper active with deciding who was what. Naw, this game is just bogus logic to defend his actions.

Ong as well. The three of them only seem to have opinions on me being a spy, which is cool because im not.

Why is that weird? Because there is no penalty for being annoying this game. There is no fear of getting lynched/nommed/shot for asking too many questions, and yet none are being asked at all.

Ez game, select a pool of ppl that has all 3 of these guys and force a double/triple failure, or select none of them and have a good chance of getting the mission to pass through.

[JKDS]

The three of them are also all ppl that commonly encourage talking on day 1s. Not a one did this game. Another oddity since its a new game and discussing how we should act and proceed is something that should be clear

[wufwugy]

it's a diff game than ww homes

the only thing we're dealing with right now is in figuring out if your spy buddies hate this mission because there are two or more spies on it or none at all

[wufwugy]

my first guess is spies are jkds lolz and two of the three on the mission

[JKDS]

it's a diff game than ww homes

the only thing we're dealing with right now is in figuring out if your spy buddies hate this mission because there are two or more spies on it or none at all

Ya, i can see why a spy would want to ignore my attack entirely and just keep pursuing a "JKDS is evil" agenda.

Btw, since the majority of players in the game are rebels...having 2 yays and 4 nays actually means the rebels are most likely to be against this mission...not the spies. Im curious why youre pushing for the reverse being true.

rescind yay, that leaves just you for yay wuf. Someone you think is a spy was the other 50% of the yays :P

[wufwugy]

it is much more likely that the spies either vote nay or dont vote at all based on the mission being a bad one for them than it being okay for them but they are still voting in non-committal ways. due to them not being able to speak with each other

me being the only yay now shows that each spy independently decided to not like this wagon

[wufwugy]

rebels are likely to not vote or vote nay because they dont wanna be tricked. but the spies dont have that to worry about, and they would have to all independently find a reason to not attempt to have this mission go forward if it was a good one for them

the spies each kinda have to worry about getting stuck on bad missions, so when good ones come along, theyre gonna like them more often. this mission is either all rebels or more than one spy. only other explanation is the spies arent paying attention or they think they have this in the bag and dont care about letting the rebels get ahold of a mission they like. the spies have to worry about that, especially since theyre acting independely

[JKDS]

Nonsense.

You can make up a reason spies would vote one way or another for any case. One particular reason is game flow. Another is levels, another is mission aftermath and having to defend voting for or against a mission.

We should work with the tangible, real information we have already.

[BooG690]

@Boog: its only fishy if you believe me to be a spy.

You're not off anyone's suspect list, by any means.

rescind yay, that leaves just you for yay wuf. Someone you think is a spy was the other 50% of the yays :P

Wrong. I'm still a yay vote.

[jackvance]

I think we're all so used to playing WW, and the low participation is because most people don't know what to do or what the best stategy is, this being the first time we play this game and all..

[a500lbgorilla]

This game is a race to identifying 4 rebs. It's going to be impossible to bingo a team of 4 and only 4 rebs. So in light of that, we need to aim at getting too many spies on a mission. If we can get any configuration which isn't 1 and only 1 spy, the discussion around the mission should be rich with info.

Here's how I see it. There's {me} {JKAIDS, Boog} {3 spies, 4 rebs}.

The team should be JKAIDS, Boog and 2 more from the final group.

This assures 1 spy from the first group and the chances of 2 or 1 spy from the second being ~14% and ~57% respectively.

JKAIDS + 3 from the second group is also an option for obvious reasons.

JKAIDS, Boog, nightgizmo, lolzzz
JKAIDS, nightgizmo, lolzzz, jackvance

Since this pick was selected by Boog, we have to shoot it down. Our only option is to crowd source the list, otherwise we'll be at the mercy of the selector's role.

Let's hear those lists of 4 for the mission. You want to maximize the number of spies.

[a500lbgorilla]

I think we're all so used to playing WW, and the low participation is because most people don't know what to do or what the best stategy is, this being the first time we play this game and all..

I think that the discussion has been lackluster for other reasons.

[lolzzz_321]

ima rebel

[lolzzz_321]

I think that the discussion has been lackluster for other reasons.

voicecom on my x-wing is broken

will see if wedge lets me fly his x-wing

brb

[lolzzz_321]

This is what happens when I soulread y'all with a spliff and cuppa...

Spies... JKDS, wuf, lolz, BID
Rebels... boog, rilla, dan, gizmo, jv, ongbonga

There's one spy on boog's mission, the very person who started the yay wagon running. JKDS was quick on it too because he likes the 1spy mission. So everyone on the mission bar wuf is a rebel, and rilla and boog are rebels by virtue of JKDS' mission.

rescind yay

nay

lol

[OngBonga]

ima rebel

Sorry, my mistake, if you tell me you're a rebel then I believe you.
Also, I'm a rebel.
JKDS, are you a rebel? Rilla? Boog? Wuf? Gizmo? Dan? Drew? JV?

This game is easier than I realised, just don't send people out on mission if they say they're not a rebel. Not sure what we do if everyone says they're not a rebel, cross that bridge when we get to it huh?

@JKDS... did I say it was Easter weekend when the game started? Some people actually spend time with their family celebrating the ressurection of Christ. Not me, I was getting drunk and dancing to ska. But yeah, I didn't participate much on day one because I had better things to do.

I wanna lynch someone.

[OngBonga]

Not sure what we do if everyone says they're not a rebel...

Sarcasm fail.

[rong]

I too miss the lynchings.

Anyone wanna play werewolf?

[JKDS]

I guess the village is

**puts on sunglasses**

REBELing

YEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

[OngBonga]

This game could be fun with a vig.

Also, the shape of the universe is cuboctohedral. Vector equilibrium and all that, it's so fucking obvious. Spheres are so last century.

Why haven't we slapped this mission down yet? I wanna see who gizmo picks.

[jackvance]

Maybe it'll help to get a move on then..

nay