*** Super Meta Werewolf Gameplay Thread ***

[dranger7070]

My brain hurts.

[DropTheBanana]

I private messaged WUF before game started that if i was a wolf i wouldn't play what so ever .
WUF assured me that only last games wolf / vampires names would be put aside and new people would be picked .

Can Wufwugy weigh in on this? If one "non-special villager" has privileged information, I feel it should be open to the public as well.

If not, I'll snap rescind Jyms and lynch Crazzvette.


As for the Jym/Galapagos/Myself situation. As a village we have to look at the situation objectively and not only in the hypothetical where I can only be a wolf. I'm a villager, but only myself and the wolves are certain of this.

You guys have gone over this argument but only with the assumption that they are right and I'm a wolf.

Food for thought from the other side of the fence:

Scenario A) They're both wolves and would rather see me lynched than eat me because I've been right about something/someone. Wolves tend to eat people who are way off track to throw off the village since they don't want to add credibility to the story of the person they ate. (Especially ones that have a solid chance at getting strung up anyways)

Scenario B) One of them is a wolf. (70/30 in Jyms favor imo) and the wolf is feeding off the other's argument for reasons stated above but still being able to point the finger when I'm found innocent.

If and when I get 86'ed and confirmed a villager, I suggest a dog pile on both of those guys.

Gizmo and Jyms are my top candidates.

Crazzvette if her story can't be confirmed and I'm 50/50 on Galapagos if Jyms is a wolf.

[gabe]

rescind pascal and lynch crazzvette

what she said there is unlikely true which makes her just crazy, so lets eliminate her. no one is going to lose sleep over it. if wuf really did do that then it would be crazy (and dumb imo) but we would have a ton of information

[bigred]

cause spotting a wolf gets you lynched as an obvious villager. That's why, hehe. I know I am safe tonight since the village may take me out tomorrow

This irks me

[NightGizmo]

Can Wufwugy weigh in on this? If one "non-special villager" has privileged information, I feel it should be open to the public as well.

If he didn't send her that PM, then wuf isn't going to respond. Last game, JKDS claimed to be a secret special and made up some stuff from wuf, a few people asked wuf to confirm, and wuf just ignored the entire exchange. Which is the right thing to do -- if someone wants to try a crazy gambit to keep themselves alive, the moderator should only interfere if it's against the rules of the game.

The only reason wuf should chime in is if he actually told her that the wolves/vamps from last game will not be wolves again this game. Since that is highly unlikely, I doubt we'll hear from wuf.

Gizmo and Jyms are my top candidates.

Do you have any reasons for thinking I'm a top candidate? It seems like you want me dead simply because I listed reasons you were wolfy yesterday.

[wufwugy]

Crazzvette has asked me that she be modkilled from this game. She would like to play but has some personal issues she has to attend to and knows that she will be AFK for long periods of time

crazzvette has been modkilled. She was a villager

The Living

bigred
lolz
ongbonga
pascal
jkds
rong
hoopy
tlr
gabe
boog
rilla
dtb
jyms
gizmo
dranger
galapogos

The Dead

shotty lynched on Day 1
gator nom'd on Night 1
crazzvette modkilled on Day 2

The Roles

12 villagers
4 wolves

Day 2 has been extended to 2:00 PM PST on Friday

[wufwugy]

pascal - jyms
gala - dtb
jyms - dtb
rilla - rong
dtb - jyms
lolz - gala
jyms - pascal
dranger - pascal
jkds - pascal
tlr - ong
hoopy - pascal

jyms = 2
dtb = 2
rong - 1
gala - 1
pascal - 4
ong - 1

[gabe]

gizmo youre a candiate because you switched to spidey when it seemed like he might get modkilled (you started your lynch post with "If he's not going to show up...")

im not saying this makes me think youre a wolf but it happened.

would be sick if jkds/gizmo/jyms were all wolves and they got spidey to sit out intentionally! props if thats happening

[gabe]

cmon wuf, you modkilled a wolf and gave them a replacement, now switch a wolf back to our team =p

[gabe]

lynch pascal

[bigred]

lynch crazzv

[bigred]

oops, rescind crazzv completely missed wuf's post

[bigred]

I think I like lynch jymz more than a pascal lynch. I'd be willing to switch to gizmor or hoopy though.

[NightGizmo]

gizmo youre a candiate because you switched to spidey when it seemed like he might get modkilled (you started your lynch post with "If he's not going to show up...")

im not saying this makes me think youre a wolf but it happened

That's a bad argument for a few reasons:
1. As a villager, that is the best action to take (assuming that spidey would be modkilled at night, ie we could choose to lynch him instead of taking the modkill).
2. I have always argued that the village should lynch modkills rather than take the double-loss of lynching another player. I realize that we haven't played together before, but this is something I have argued in several other games. Hell, I could *prove* that it's the correct strategy to take for the village.

Ultimately, the core of your argument is "A wolf may have done that to look like a villager, because that's what a villager would do. Therefore gizmo must be a wolf." It's flawed reasoning. And if that's the only reason DTB is trying to get my lynched, it just makes him look more wolfy.

[a500lbgorilla]

lol bigred, just arooo already

lynch bigred

[bigred]

lol bigred, just arooo already

lynch bigred

But I'm not a wolf so I don't wanna

[Hoopy]

Well I guess crazzvette being dead isn't that bad, we lose ground to the wolves but remove someone who wasn't helping at all.

I want to hear from BooG, usually he goes quiet and gets lynched early.

[NightGizmo]

I think I like lynch jymz more than a pascal lynch. I'd be willing to switch to gizmor or hoopy though.

You'd lynch hoopy? Why? That makes no sense at all.

Current theory: pascal, dtb, bigred, and lolz are the wolves.

[bigred]

You'd lynch hoopy? Why? That makes no sense at all.

Current theory: pascal, dtb, bigred, and lolz are the wolves.

You're both posting enough to avoid lying low accusations but not enough to be in the spotlight.

[NightGizmo]

You're both posting enough to avoid lying low accusations but not enough to be in the spotlight.

You have less posts than me and more than Hoopy. By your own logic, we should lynch you.

[bigred]

Probably but I don't wanna lynch myself

[bigred]

I think I've been suspicious of Hoopy every game. Just his playing style. As for you, I WANT MY WIN FROM LAST GAME YOU WHORE, I mean, you're suspicious for reasons backed by logic and evidence

[dranger7070]

Oh sure, now that I hop of the jyms train it picks up steam.. -__-

rescind pascal
lynch jyms a.k.a. teh jimmer

[jyms]

hahhahaha, and you guys think crazz was not helping. So many no shows watching this thread all day and not posting. Why post if there is no heat. Other than gabe, nobody has come to my defense, so by definition me and gabe must be wolves.

Almost guarantee if you lynch me, wolves take out another villager (gabe maybe) your down 5-0. You better be damn sure that you're right

P.S: I told you crazzy was just crazzy and not a wolf. I know 3/4 wolves almost 90%

[Hoopy]

Lynching jyms (the most active player) this early would be a mistake as it creates a bad dynamic for the village, we should target inactives early on.

I think I've been suspicious of Hoopy every game. Just his playing style.

Clearly I should post some lolcats to gain your trust.

[bigred]

The caption says I can trust you...but the kitteh's face seems sinister...

[bigred]

The sinister kitteh makes a good point, rescind jymz for now...

[DropTheBanana]

Ladies and gentlemen of the village, I present to you Exhibit A. The "Wolf on the Ropes Desperation Post"

You can clearly see he is using threatening syntax and statistics to make the village second guess themselves to buy time. A common practice among wolves who feel threatened.

Plus, look at the way it's worded.

Almost guarantee if you lynch me, wolves take out another villager (gabe maybe) your down 5-0. You better be damn sure that you're right

Why are you so unsure? Because I can 100% guarantee the wolves take out another villager. Are they supposed to eat themselves at night?

Jyms is a wolf.

[bigred]

Anyone seen the movie hook where the lost boys keep running back and forth between Peter Pan and Rufio?

[gabe]

Anyone seen the movie hook where the lost boys keep running back and forth between Peter Pan and Rufio?

nailed it!!

going after people you disagree with makes it real easy on the wolves. there are a bunch of people laying in the cut. im against lynching DTB, jyms, or bigred. pascal, lolz, boog and to a lesser extent tlr, rilla, and rong. many of these names have escaped investitationg just because they dont post much.

[gabe]

theres enough reason to lolz but no one has pulled the trigger on pushing a bandwagon. im cool with pascal for now though. his excuse is so easy for anyone to make, and hes not really adding to the village. ill give rilla/tlr the benefit of the doubt because they have shown past werewolf playing toughness.

[TLR]

Sorry guys (I think all gals are dead) I had crazy two days at work, will catch up on this thread tomorrow

[jyms]

Ladies and gentlemen of the village, I present to you Exhibit A. The "Wolf on the Ropes Desperation Post"

You can clearly see he is using threatening syntax and statistics to make the village second guess themselves to buy time. A common practice among wolves who feel threatened.

Plus, look at the way it's worded.



Why are you so unsure? Because I can 100% guarantee the wolves take out another villager. Are they supposed to eat themselves at night?

Jyms is a wolf.

Ya that was a bad edit on my part. I was naming a few players as wolves and said "I can almost guarantee ******,**** and **** are wolves then decided not to post it because it would put a target on my head if I get a couple right or wrong. So I backspaced and changed my wording.

[BooG690]

Youbknow what, fuck it. We'll play yur and gabes game of lynching pascal.,i thought his postvwas bogus asvwell and im cluttering thevthread with my attacking you. Im curious as to what Pascals role is. But if he shows up as a villager, im coming after you 10 times as hard. If hes a wolf I will back off for a while and pursue others.

rescind jyms
lynch pascal

The fact that Dranger is so willing to bandwagon blindly with all the information we have just because he's "curious as to what Pascals role is" is probably the post that sticks out the most to me on page three. Truthfully though, I couldn't read THAT much of it. I still haven't had the time. However, that post is enough for me to go for a Lynch Dranger

[jyms]

but according to dranger the pile on is wrong!!!!!

[dranger7070]

Lol boog comes out of the woodwork to put a lunch vote on me. Put some time into reading the posts dbag.

My wolf candidates in order of how sure I am, with an alternate or two:
1.) Jyms.
2.) Bigred
3.) BooG
4.) Gabe

1.) Dtb
2.) Rilla

[dranger7070]

And yeah the pile-on is wrong from the standpoint of doing it just to do it. My reasoning for pascal bw was pretty obvious. I go hard at jyms, he barely defends, gabe cleans up for him and suggests we both stand down, throws up pascal as a suspect. Jyms snap hops on that train while casually sticking a finger in dtbs direction. I agree to back down and since pascal is fairly suspect due to low post count and see through excuses, I decide to hop on and see how it turns out.

[dranger7070]

Jyms version of pile on is a reference to his day one play which is spectacularly moronic. 'hop on first one to 4 lynches with no looking at any posts or evidence derp.'

Two very different cases of bandwagoning imo.

[dranger7070]

Tnh, ive never played WW this seriously before and I know that puts the axe over my neck and im cool with that. Ive already figured ill be dead by day 5. Be it lynched or eaten. Again fine with this because I know my attacking jyms is making him uncomfortable and ill continue to push him and othets until Im strung up or eaten as a midnight snack.

No one wants to play this role (typically its rilla and this one of the reasons I suspect him) or wuf, but no one else is stepping up to bat for the village so im taking it upon myself to do so. This game is so much more difficult for the village because of no specials so we really need everyone to contribute or we might as well serve this game up on a platter. BooV coming out to say hes not read the game but somek.e managed yo see my post and thats enough to lynvh me is so fantastically lolleristic if I wasnt going for jyms id jump on him right now.

[jyms]

My wolf candidates in order of how sure I am, with an alternate or two:
1.) Jyms.
2.) Bigred
3.) BooG
4.) Gabe

Wow, talk about missed by a long shot. I have 4 totally different people

[gabe]

And yeah the pile-on is wrong from the standpoint of doing it just to do it. My reasoning for pascal bw was pretty obvious. I go hard at jyms, he barely defends, gabe cleans up for him and suggests we both stand down, throws up pascal as a suspect. Jyms snap hops on that train while casually sticking a finger in dtbs direction. I agree to back down and since pascal is fairly suspect due to low post count and see through excuses, I decide to hop on and see how it turns out.

i get what youre saying. someone's gotta rattle the cages or else the wolf never shows its teeth. i got ya. but dont u think many people in villager shoes would act the same as jyms if they thought the same way?

also agree it sucks with no specials when people dont post. lets lynch them. if any of these post spewers (you, me and jyms included) are around in the end, the villagers will have plenty of info to pick over. lets kill someone thats not contributing much who also has a wolfy vibe

[dranger7070]

Not surprising considering we are on different teams.

[jyms]

post counts in this game

23 bigred
7 lolz
30 ongobongo
8 pascal
12 jkds
17 rong
16 hoopy
5 tlr
33 gabe
5 boog
21 rilla
16 dtb
42 jyms
21 gizmo
31 dranger
12 galapogos

[dranger7070]

Thats the thing, what value does jyms provide the village? He continuesto say he has some master wolf list that he almost guarantees, but it never materializes. The fact that hes doing so under threat of lynch makes it way more suspicious at this point in time he needs to post the list so it can be looked over by all. If he chooses to not do so,abd hes a villager, he should be eaten by the wolves tonightt to prevent a potential wolf identifying list to get out there.

His stalling appears to me to be him biying time to consult with fellow wolves that are more experienced to decide who to put on the list so as to most fuck with the village.

[jyms]

how am I stalling?

[dranger7070]

Oh, galap should be on my list of alternates as well. I knew I was forgetting somekne.

[dranger7070]

I havent seen your list, nor has anyone else yet you've stated that you have one that you almost guarantee but no one has seem a single name from it. All this while your bw was building. That sir, is the definition of installing.

[dranger7070]

Stalling* stupid Swype.

[jyms]

I've bolded. I'm obviously not changing my mind to lynch myself and all anyone is doing is throwing out names. I'll wait for others, I'm done posting unless someone can give me something new. some say pascal, I say DTB (and gala agrees) and you and others say me. Lets play it out.

[dranger7070]

Postvyour listvdude. There is no reason forvyou not to. If you dont you fet eaten. If you do, I still push for lynch to find outvyour role so as to better analyze your list. Put it this wsy, whethervyou do or dont, chances of you making past day 3 or 4 are v v slim. So why not just post it and help out the village? Oh thats right, youre a wolf.

[gabe]

tilt

[DropTheBanana]

Oh thats right, youre a wolf.

I think that's a given at this point

[Galapogos]

crazzvette has been modkilled. She was a villager

See UngaBunga? Told you she was probably just retarded.

Time to catch up, I'll post in a bit.

[OngBonga]

Why the fuck did she tell us wuf told her that last game's wolves would not get picked again? There is obviously no merit to this, even though she's villager. Even if wuf did set it so wolves last game didn't get picked again, telling a villager is awful, this is going to clear four people. So it was a blatant lie from a villager. Not at all unhappy to see her gone.

Well I obv need to reassess my reads after crazz flipped villager. Any other villagers lying for no reason?

[Galapogos]

Why the fuck did she tell us wuf told her that last game's wolves would not get picked again?

Told you she was probably just retarded.

Don't exactly need sick reads to figure that one out...

[Galapogos]

So I went back through the thread to try and figure out jyms. He's definitely looking wolfy right now but it's kinda hard to not look wolfy when everyone is already convinced he is one, if that makes sense. Meaning, if you decide someone's a wolf in this game, it's not hard find things they've posted that back up your theory whether they are or not.

I definitely hate his bandwagon strategy because if he's a wolf it lets him be free of being accused of wolfy strategic lynches. I'm also a big fan of dranger's work in post 160. But jym's actual actions so far aren't wolfy. He's just been playing like anyone else.

[Galapogos]

My top 3 suspects:

DTB - sticking with it, does no aside from jyms and gizmo agree with the info against him? Seems odd that not a lot of people were too interested in what was dug up.

Pascal - gabe doesn't like him so I trust his read. Plus he's not posting much and using the "I'm sooo busy now that this game started" bit. But I still don't think this warrants a lynch more than DTB.

TLR - He's posting even less. I looked at the shotty bandwagon people because that whole bandwagon scene struck me as odd. I just felt she was a weird choice since I assume she plays regularly so there had to be some wolf action in there. Really key thing I noticed, Gator in post 137 made an interesting point about TLR that mostly went unnoticed then he was nommed that night. Very thin, but seems like a good player for a wolf to go after that has shown a bit of interest in one but not enough, so his death can be let go as, "Ya standard wolves eat an established player."

And on that note, the whole Gator nomming was kind of an odd choice. He's a good player but there's other players I would think the wolves would see as more of a threat.

Don't really know what that means, just figured I'd throw it out there in case anyone else had any thoughts on that. But all I can see that reasoning pointing back to is TLR.

[rong]

What gala says is true, once you see someone as wolfy you can always find a post or two as evidence to support your stance. But the same is true if you consider someone villagery, it's rare for a wolf to do something so stupid as to be impossible for it to be done by a villager.

I still feel dtb and jims are the most likely wolves at this point. I'd also throw ong as a third but I have no evidence or intent to bold him, its just a suspicion.

That said, all 3 of them post enough that if they are wolves they'll give us enough rope to hang then, so I'm down with a lynching a lesser poster.

[rong]

Looking at number of posts, Boog, TLR, Pascal & lolzzz hae all been next to useless, but what surprises me more is JKDS's low post count, he's barely ahead of that bunch.

[rong]

Also, re CV, it's kinda convenient imo. Didn't think she was a wolf, but her posting style is confusing and her lack of logic is really confusing and her lying is like lolwat??? completely confusing, so like I say, kinda convenient.

[rong]

Actually lynch lolzzz

Pascal gave a shit excuse, TLR gave a shit excuse, Boog does this every game and has the whole hanging out with Korean kids thing excuse going on, so lolzzz is the easiest option imo.

Plus, lolzzz sometimes decides to play properly and is an asset to the game, both in terms of info and entertainment, so if a bw motivates him then great, we can switch, but it's a good place to start.

Not only does lynching the non-actives help remove it as a viable wolf strategy, which is something I wine about every game, but also it's more fun playing with people who post and are actually involved in the game.

[BooG690]

For the record, I'm pretty caught up on page 4. I just don't really have much else to say aside from what I said about Dranger.

[JKDS]

Nope, way too many people and way too many posts. F doing an analysis right now.

With 3 flips, i wanted to see if there were any obvious and clear fuck ups by the wolves regardin shoty, crazy, and spidey votes. But im just too time restricted to really do it.

Im sticking with pascal.

[rong]

I really wanna edit my spelling of whine.

[dranger7070]

All I'm going to say is Jyms people.

Mother.

Fucking.

Jyms.

[dranger7070]

Once we know his role, we can go from there. From his list of active posters, he's #1 in quantity and last in quality. If he's a wolf, we do gain some decent information. I'm all for getting the quiet ones to talk by threat of lynch, but lets work on that tomorrow starting w/ BooG or lolz or rilla or whoever. Today should be jyms.

[a500lbgorilla]

Once we know his role, we can go from there. From his list of active posters, he's #1 in quantity and last in quality. If he's a wolf, we do gain some decent information. I'm all for getting the quiet ones to talk by threat of lynch, but lets work on that tomorrow starting w/ BooG or lolz or rilla or whoever. Today should be jyms.

This is not a strong plan.

[a500lbgorilla]

How rong has managed to pull the wool over you guyses eyes is beyond me. The sheep's wool. From the sheeps he's eaten. As a wolf.

lynch rong
lynch pascal
lynch JKDS
lynch lolzzz

[a500lbgorilla]

This is not a strong plan.

As in, we don't have to get there immediately, we just have to get there eventually. And this path retards more often than it expedites.

[rong]

Rilla you don't say much and you also say very little.

Is the village supposed to let you say nothing until end game until you come in and win the game for whichever team you're on? Seeing as how you are usually a valuable asset and prone to an early death, and in spite of your mistaken theory (i assume you have one) of me being a wolf, some more detailed thoughts would be helpful.

[Hoopy]

Pascal or lolzzz are the best lynches today, I'm sticking with the former but either is good.

Struggling to find villagers at the moment, I think I've got 5 so far.

jyms
dranger
gabe
gizmo
JKDS

[jyms]

My top 3 suspects:

DTB - sticking with it, does no aside from jyms and gizmo agree with the info against him? Seems odd that not a lot of people were too interested in what was dug up.

Pascal - gabe doesn't like him so I trust his read. Plus he's not posting much and using the "I'm sooo busy now that this game started" bit. But I still don't think this warrants a lynch more than DTB.

TLR - He's posting even less. I looked at the shotty bandwagon people because that whole bandwagon scene struck me as odd. I just felt she was a weird choice since I assume she plays regularly so there had to be some wolf action in there. Really key thing I noticed, Gator in post 137 made an interesting point about TLR that mostly went unnoticed then he was nommed that night. Very thin, but seems like a good player for a wolf to go after that has shown a bit of interest in one but not enough, so his death can be let go as, "Ya standard wolves eat an established player."

And on that note, the whole Gator nomming was kind of an odd choice. He's a good player but there's other players I would think the wolves would see as more of a threat.

Don't really know what that means, just figured I'd throw it out there in case anyone else had any thoughts on that. But all I can see that reasoning pointing back to is TLR.

This, plus lolz are my 4 to be discussed if you need a list, but I think pascal is least likely

[jyms]

Ok, I just read over a ton of this and I'm going to

Rescind DTB
lynch Pascal

I have a theory. He's my least wolfy of the group and if he's not, I think I know #4

[a500lbgorilla]

Rilla you don't say much and you also say very little.

Is the village supposed to let you say nothing until end game until you come in and win the game for whichever team you're on? Seeing as how you are usually a valuable asset and prone to an early death, and in spite of your mistaken theory (i assume you have one) of me being a wolf, some more detailed thoughts would be helpful.

I speak concisely and unambiguously as is a villager's way.

Wolfkind are capable shapeshifters, whispering lies and murky rhetoric, dodging every point, taking scenic and circuitous paths to nonconclusions, as is your way.

[dranger7070]

Pascal or lolzzz are the best lynches today, I'm sticking with the former but either is good.

Struggling to find villagers at the moment, I think I've got 5 so far.

jyms
dranger
gabe
gizmo
JKDS

Posts like this make me suspect Hoopy. How are gizmo and JKDS in any way cleared. How do you clear jyms? I semi-agree on gabe, depends largely on how things pan out later.