WW 2013 Edition: The Conglomerate

[OngBonga]

lol I like that jv vote after keith's post. And lol at me being in bed at 2am.

rescind

I'm happy to nail jack's coffin when he gets there, but I'll wait until daytime so he has chance to claim if he's special.

[Keith]

it would be really nice for hoopy and aubrey to post their reasons for a JV vote in case he comes back as a villager. remember this wagon is Wuf inspired and his posts and actions for the last two days have been wolfy as hell.

off to bed now

[OngBonga]

remember this wagon is Wuf inspired

lol

[wufwugy]

Wuf inspired and his posts and actions for the last two days have been wolfy as hell.

only in a fantasy land that doesn't know how to evaluate the game. wolves NEVER wolf-hunt, even when they try really really really hard. in yours and boogs bizarro world, me going after the most probable wolves really hard somehow makes me a likely wolf

this is just entirely irrational. you and boog have not evaluated your own opinions on me enough to see that your claims are mandating that i hopped off jyms onto dtb to protect pascal but dtb and jyms are also both wolves. its nonsensical.

[JKDS]

Vote Count 3.03

Boog(1): DTB
JackVance(4): Jyms, Wufwugy, Bigred, Aubrey
Jyms(3): Boog, Nightgizmo, Gator
Rong(1): Bikes
Wufwugy(3): Keith, JV, Hoopy

Notvoting: Rong, daven, Ongbonga

Deadline is in 22hrs, 25min. With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch!

This is the story all about how my life got flipped, turned upside down.

[bigred]

[bigred]

Oh, so mod edits post and it no longer says vc. Good on you

[wufwugy]

hoops is on jv not me

[aubreymcfate]

I found ong's argument to be convincing and I just get a weird vibe from reading jv's defense of himself. I have read through the thread in addition to reading ong's argument, so i'm not going on ong's post alone. as for the weird vibe - i can't really explain it, it just reads to me the way i'd imagined a seasoned ww player whose got his shit together would sound if he was a wolf defending himself.

the way he voted to lynch dtb probably assuming that after dtb outs himself, it would fall back on jyms, and not expecting the sudden pascal wagon, is a theory that i find really really likely. it doesn't feel contrived at all, and as i read back over the thread it fit for me.

he seemed to slide under the radar in the beginning, played it cool, didn't say anything controversial.

he said this (270): Don't get me wrong I could bold him (as well as some other people), because of his low content and vagueness, but I'm trying to look at both angles instead of jumping to instant conclusions. My immediate intuition to his post was that it was suspicious, same as many people probably, but these intuitions haven't always proven true, that is why I am being more careful in my judgments. (the opposite of how most people play, I know)

Seems like a well-planned articulation intended to clear him of his vague finger pointing. that way, as a defense, he can claim he was after people, but he didn't lynch them because this is his play style. this allows him to target fellow wolves with less risk of a lynch. (is it his normal play style? obviously i can't confirm, someone else can - either way, if he IS a wolf, then i have no doubt in my mind that that was the purpose of this post).

I'm good then.

I vote for my preferred target, who I think is most likely to be a wolf, nothing more to it than that. I can switch to XTR if he stays inactive, or bold him the next day, if he stays out of sight.

Hm and some good posts by Gabe there.

This might not seem like a big deal, but in light of everything else, why does he feel the need to even respond to that? I know gabe wasn't being serious, but it's precisely because it wasn't a serious conversation that I feel he saw it a good opportunity to casual slip in an affirmation of him as a villager, one that wouldn't be too highly scrutinized since it wasn't in any serious context. This is super nitpicky, I know, but small things add up, and mind you all this is in addition to Ong's careful analysis which I found compelling and was one of the least contrived things i've read all game. Even if JV is a villager, I still give props to Ong for that.

in summary, it is a mix of my own intuition, which will come off as vague no matter how much i try to explain it, and finding Ong's case to be compelling.

[aubreymcfate]

*who's.

rereading my posts and remembering that my line of work is editorial can be quite embarrassing.

[GatorJH]

Odd you can weigh in on all the happenings yet somehow overlook (more likely avoid) JV. I think if JV turns up a wolf we need to look more closely at gator.

Do you really think that, as a wolf, I would forget to put a fellow wolf in the analysis. Sorry Red, but that would never happen.

Not sure what to think about all of the clutter, but Jyms insistence to lay low is just puzzling to me. I need to go back through the thread and look at some of the connections others think make him a villager, but for now my vote stands.

[aubreymcfate]

i just realized that what I quoted up there (the literal quote, not the one where i just cited the number) didn't make sense. i also got it wrong, he wasn't talking to Gabe. ignore that - let me redo that explanation here:

JV posted a vote count that he edited.
then he was like: Oops, I had one number wrong (hoopy) and edited it without thinking, hope it's ok..
rong said: It's only ok if you're a villager, otherwise modkill for cheating.
which JV then quoted and said: I'm good then.

again, not a big deal, i'm just focusing on small things that add up. Ong pegged a bunch of them so I don't feel the need to go overboard just for the sake of putting things in my own words (i certainly can if you want, that's essentially how i got my bachelors degree), but i just don't feel it's necessary. i just figured i'd mention some extra things that give me a bad vibe in conjunction with all the other stuff that's already been said.

[GatorJH]

Btw, if we follow your logic you should be lynched if DTB or Keith show up as wolves as you "forgot about them" in your initial analysis.

[bikes]

hi. i'm bikes. i'm feg lol.

drunkkkk

[bikes]

fuck this is not the drunk thread

[DropTheBanana]

Also remember DTB isn't on JV yet either so he can nail a lynch. there isn't much wriggle room with the votes at the moment. DTB can't jump on jack yet , he'll only jump on to nail the lynch .

an assumed DTB vote

At no point today am I switching my vote as I have a wolf bolded.

[GatorJH]

Honestly I just don't see JV being that careless as a wolf and think wuf is a wolf here more often than JV.

With that said I also think there is a decent chance that neither of them are wolves.

[GatorJH]

Finally here's the way I see it. Between JV, wuf and Jyms I would MUCH rather make a mistake with Jyms than the other two. Again, we will have a TON of info after the nightly actions.

And finally I am puzzled about the wuf votes today. I get it that everyone thinks DTB is lying about being the seer, but until that is proven out we need to stay away from every one of his claims. Keith and JV should know this so their votes are especially troubling.

[OngBonga]

So JV wouldn't be careless, then you show us he's being careless.

Gator, do you not think banana being wolf clears jyms?

[wufwugy]

Honestly I just don't see JV being that careless as a wolf and think wuf is a wolf here more often than JV.

With that said I also think there is a decent chance that neither of them are wolves.

dude, you just said jv is being careless. you know he's not careless as a villager, and this carelessness is the main reason why both ong and me think hes a wolf

this is ong's baby too. ive been more vocal about it because i noticed it stayed with just me and ong, the two most active obv villagers......

[wufwugy]

if jyms is a wolf here hes a fucking jackoff. he would basically just be scumbag steve

[OngBonga]

Can we stop caring about jyms until we know what banana is for sure?

[wufwugy]

we already know what dtb is for sure. when the seer outs and people dont believe him, he PLEADS. dtb has not pleaded once

[wufwugy]

and outed seer actually gets offended that people say he's full of shit; dtb has not been anything other than super controlled and banal i.e. the way a lying wold does it

[GatorJH]

If he is a wolf that wouldn't be careless, just desperate. And no I don't think DTB being a wolf clears Jyms. We have no idea what a potential wolf strategy might have been if, miraculously three wolves were being targeted at the same time.

[GatorJH]

OK guys, it's obvious that I am one of the few who think jyms is a wolf and I absolutely believe we can't touch wuf until certain roles are confirmed. Since you guys have put WAY more thought into this than I have I will go with you today and lynch jv. If he turns up as a villager both of you REALLY need to rethink your strategies in finding wolves.

[OngBonga]

Gator, you wanna hold your vote until tomorrow? jv is asleep and if he's villager, banana can seal it without a care.

[OngBonga]

Tomorrow as in real days, obv.

[OngBonga]

jack, if you're special, claim in your next post please, because it looks like you're getting lynched today. I'd expect jack to be around in around 4-5 hours, based on my wolf game with him.

[wufwugy]

if jv is a villager i will gladly self-lynch

[wufwugy]

i would be soooooooooo fucking mad at myself for being so fucking stupid

[OngBonga]

Ignore me gator, for some reason I thought your vote took jack to L-1, it didn't.

[OngBonga]

But yeah, keith raised a good point, that is we have to be careful about putting people one from lynch, because banana can seal it without a care.

[BooG690]

Somebody hold me...

[wufwugy]

boog needs dem big muscley arms to feel safe

[aubreymcfate]

boog needs dem big muscley arms to feel safe

goddammit, my first instinct was to look for the "like" button.

[wufwugy]

If he is a wolf that wouldn't be careless, just desperate.

i dont understand what you mean by this

is the last wolf coming down to rong vs gator? (or maybe daven, maybe)

[aubreymcfate]

what, why daven

[OngBonga]

i dont understand what you mean by this

He's responding to me.

[wufwugy]

He's responding to me.

you and i said the same thing tho

i want to know the difference between why villager jv can be careless but when hes wolf it has to be despereate

[wufwugy]

what, why daven

because hes the person whose posts ive looked at the least, and its possible hes pulling a really sick nub villager strat. he is a vet to the forum, so he would be on his toes and more comfortable as a nub than some others.....

[daven]

there is such a clusterfuck of posting mess here that it's really difficult to unravel right now. I think we'll have a huge understanding of what is going on after this day finishes playing out.

After a couple of read-throughs, nothing in all this mess of Ongbonga/Keith/Jackvance/Wufwugy posts has convinced me that Jyms isn't a wolf, it all seems to depend on premises such as 'if so-and-so is wolf/villager then jyms is obviously...' without us knowing with certainty the roles of players that are integral to the arguments.

Jyms manages to continue to turn up when required to save his arse. And when that happens he even appears to post vague content from time to time. He later argues that his lack of posting means we shouldn't lynch him. And he keeps promising future content that never eventuates. I don't think he's lock wolf, I don't think there is enough information for anyone other than wolves and seer to have 100% lock wolves right now (other than Pascal lfdo, and Dropthebanana once we see whether he is still around tomorrow). I think that Jyms is still the best lynch candidate we have. Others obviously disagree. Wuf has seemed to be certain that Jackvance has been wolf for a while now, still seems convinced. I think this certainty will prove key at some point.

Out of Jyms/Jackvance/Ongbonga/Wufwugy i think that from most likely wolf to least likely wolf they are:
Jyms > Ongbonga > Jackvance = Wufwugy

There is a risk that it is becoming easy to forget that there are other players in this game, many of whom are now lying low.

the following posts, in combination, don't sound that wolf - although given their context and timing they all seem to in isolation.

I think we should do Jyms vs JV wagons

actually right now my gut tells me jyms and jv are the last two wolves

if jv is a villager i will gladly self-lynch

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some posts from Jyms that seem like attempts (again) to deflect, copied here so i don't have to keep scrolling through to find them:

I'm not a fucking wolf, I'm just a fucking idiot that is watching the thread and not paying much attention but when my name starts coming up I post to say I'm not paying attention. Sounds stupid but it's the truth. Put my name against any other suspected wolf and I will put a bold on that name right now.

lets start with Lynch JV

Pick another wolf and I will bold him too. That's all I got until I get some time hopefully tonight or tomorrow to put my own list together. For now all I can do is help the village to nail down a wagon.

Well when all in who is going to give the village a better shot at stringing together wolves. If JV, Wuf or I get lynched then who proves to bring down more wolves through ties. I think JV is an obvious choice with the seer still floating out there and the wolves taking out someone this night is pretty tell tale no?

Time for another read through everything that has happened today i guess.

[daven]

i dont understand what you mean by this

is the last wolf coming down to rong vs gator? (or maybe daven, maybe)

I like this post. I think it's really important that we don't get blinkered and start just ignoring players or assuming they are lock villagers. It feels as though there are several players who still have fewer than 20 posts here - and that the bulk of posts (recently anyway) are either made by or in direct response to posts from Wufwugy and Ongbonga.

[OngBonga]

Did daven really just say I'm more likely wolf than jack? Wow.

[wufwugy]

i guess the reason why im now cutting off jyms is if hes a wolf here, he will never play a single game with me where he is not snap-lynched on day 1 every single time. the shit he is doing is so fucking retarded that it puts him right on the border of being legit super busy and not participating to being a douche who exploits basic human decency

any wolf who does only this "sry guise but ive been busy" does not win the game even when he technically wins. i will never concede victory to that because this is a game we've all agreed to play, and doing that as a wolf is a voiding of that implied agreement

[daven]

reading through all posts from the lynch scene onwards.

ok, Ongbonga post 560 suggests that he thinks we should just lynch Dropthebanana and move on. Surely he's aware that if he really is seer (unlikely imo, but not lock) then this hurts us a lot. Then Wufwugy post 561 suggests the same thing. Their timing is interesting, and then Ongbonga brings out the Jackvance = wolf thing to start the day.

Hoopy claims that Gabe and XTR were among his cleared villagers (he doesn't say why) - this is a pretty easy claim to make given that they are both dead villagers. Then he clears Ongbonga and I based on 'voting patterns' and our attacks on an obvious wolf.

Fuck, Gabe is right. Ongbonga posts a lot of noise. Is there anyone he hasn't bolded or cleared as villager yet in this game (exaggeration - i know there probably are Ong...).

Wufwugy seems really keen to clear Jyms as villager. What if Jyms/DTB/Pascal are all wolves? obviously a sick scenario but it makes the wagons harder to figure out. Post 572 - Dropthebanana/Jackvance/Pascal/Bikes = wolves. Interesting.

Gin and tonic and a request to get away from the computer has turned up. Back later. It's sunny outside.

[daven]

Did daven really just say I'm more likely wolf than jack? Wow.

I don't think Jackvance is wolf. I don't think you are wolf either, nor Wufwugy. Well, i think any of you might be wolves, but not our most likely. I am aware that I have been pressing Jyms since ages now and haven't found any evidence to clear him; it's hard to distinguish whether this is imposing a bias when i'm reading through.

[daven]

for context it's 6:20pm Friday and sunny outside and i have a drink in hand. I'll either be back later this evening under the influence, or else late tomorrow morning after i've dropped a friend at the airport.

[OngBonga]

Wufwugy seems really keen to clear Jyms as villager.

Surely that's supposed to be me, I think wuf was trying to lynch him. Don't get me wrong, I'm pleased you're trying to figure this out without just tagging along with any compelling case. It just surprises me that anyone can think I'm wolfier than jack, since I've been on the case of pascal and banana from pretty early on. Of course I can do this as wolf, but it's unlikely, given that it's relatively early in the game. I mean my pascal case begins with my first serious vote. People should start to question my role if jack and banana turn out to be wolves and I'm not dead as we near endgame.

Yes I post a lot of noise. Sorry about that. Guess I have more time to waste than most of you guys, plus I like playing ww, plus I want to win.

Shut up about the sun. It's the fucking ice age here.

[wufwugy]

if jyms is still alive on the final day saying "lol doodz sry but so bersy right now" i will throw my monitor against the wall

[OngBonga]

I jusy want this day to end with jack's lynch so I can either fistpump and claim the mvp award, or pull my head out of my arse. Hurry up and get out of bed, jack, so we can lynch your sorry arse.

[jackvance]

I'm the vig. Why do you think I was defending myself so furiously. I wanted atleast one more day so I could fire another round. But now I'm dead.

If wrong about jack, village should pretty much disregard all of my reads, and perhaps vig should seriously consider shooting me. I would have no complaints.

I so badly wanted to respond to this "be careful what you wish for" at the time, but that would have given it away.

Now let's kindly lynch wolfwugy please.

[BooG690]

I love this game so fucking much. Why'd you shoot XTR, Jack?

[BooG690]

Also, Jack almost never goes to bed as the vig with that many votes on him. And don't pull the "sleep is more important than WW" because it damn sure ain't.

[BooG690]

Also, I'll ejaculate all over myself if I narrowed down jyms and wuf as the last two wolves.

[jackvance]

I did a readthrough of the thread, and had a him pegged as a potential wolf combined with some other people, but decided on him so if he was a villager I'd atleast get rid of someone with a high inactivily level. My first idea was to shoot hoopy but he came out a bit too villagery I felt, and it might a bit too much at me being the vig since I was so vocal before about wanting him dead.

I have to go now, be back in 3 hours.

[OngBonga]

Forgive me if I don't believe you jack. If you are the vig, you'll get an apology after the game.

I don't know who to swing for next, I mean my top two wolf targets have claimed specials. Lynching jack isn't very smart, since if he's a wolf the real vig has a lock wolf to shoot at when he next gets a bullet. Banana can wait until tomorrow.

Guess we try and bink the last one. I'm open to ideas. I don't want to lynch any of boog, jyms, wuf or hoopy.

I'll suggest a lynch bikes

[wufwugy]

jv has made this so easy. we can lynch somebody else and just let the real vig shoot him when he gets his next bullet.

jv's "avid defenses" are not relevant; why he and ong realized he's a wolf in the first place is what's relevant

boog, you're contradicting yourself. so much so that im thinking you might be the final wolf. according the very logic that you and keith have espoused, i cant be a wolf with jyms. and according to your analysis that jv never goes to bed as vig with that many votes on him, me and jyms cant be the last two wolves

neeways, i'll be on before the deadline tomorrow, so i can change my vote away from jv if need be. but i dont care so much for that. dtb and jv are both prime lynches. i guess we can gat jyms if we need to, but bleh. so if anybody is able to start an even better wagon (doubtful), we'll see....

[wufwugy]

Forgive me if I don't believe you jack. If you are the vig, you'll get an apology after the game.

I don't know who to swing for next, I mean my top two wolf targets have claimed specials. Lynching jack isn't very smart, since if he's a wolf the real vig has a lock wolf to shoot at when he next gets a bullet. Banana can wait until tomorrow.

Guess we try and bink the last one. I'm open to ideas. I don't want to lynch any of boog, jyms, wuf or hoopy.

I'll suggest a lynch bikes

good move, but also take a look at rong. and gator.

rong has been playing very different than any other games. this could be a simple case of him not wanting to get seer'd

[wufwugy]

I'm the vig. Why do you think I was defending myself so furiously. I wanted atleast one more day so I could fire another round. But now I'm dead.

it's because of statements like this we know jv is a wolf. did he forget that dtb is an outed seer who wasnt nom'd on the night phase? did he forget that he doesn't believe dtb is real seer, yet he still wants to lynch me before dtb? and for what reason, just because ive gone after him? if he's the real vig, he would know that me going after him could be based in peculiarities of his posts based on him being a special, not just a wolf

jv is a wolf every time, it's not even close

[OngBonga]

I can't see jack and gator both being wolves. I'd expect them two to work very well together, ensuring they weren't leaving a trail. There was one point where both jack and gator were on the same wagon, I think jyms but it might have been hoopy, can't be bothered to check right now but I will later. I don't see them both doing this as wolves, both of them being on the same villager wagon, but I might be wrong.

Dan is the one who concerns me most out of those who are background. Dan is rarely background. Gator is though, and I'm sure wolves think boog is the seer.

I can switch to dan, but would like to hear what others think of a bikes lynch first.

Funny how killing the angel has worked for the village, they can't fake claim angel! Much better fake claim than vig.

[OngBonga]

jv is a wolf every time, it's not even close

Yup, I agree. And banana. Neither of them have been acting like specials. jack hasn't even considered the idea that banana could be the real seer, which is more of a concern to the wolves than vig. That's because he knows he's not the seer.

We're in great shape here.

[BooG690]

Am I missing something elementary that doesn't allow Wuf and jyms to be on the same wolf team? I feel like I am.

[OngBonga]

Boog, listen to the guy who seems to have nailed three wolves by d2...

jyms... is... not... a... wolf...

[OngBonga]

wuf might be though, his vote for jyms just before I dropped the jv case on the thread is dodgy and he needs to be analysed. That will have to wait though, at least until banana is dead, because if banana happens to be seer, he cleared wuf.

[rong]

I'm up to post 716 and doubt I'll catch up til lunch time.

[BooG690]

You're giving yourself credit for DTB, Ong?

[Keith]

post 751

Originally Posted by wufwugy
Damn Ong, that is some legit fucking hunting. That's seriously really good

On the contrary. Soon it will become apparent just how bad of a post this is. No need to take my word for it though.

and now the pressure is really on JV has revealed. Reading through ONgs post and seeing this it seemed like JV could be a special else why would it soon be revealed how bad a post it was. Which made me wonder why wuf was such a full on get JV lynched which made me put the working on a post comment in to try and stop a wagon steaming ahead on JV forcing him to claim before i could check out wuf .

Also why i was trying to get people off the jv wagon last night and posting the dangers of getting close.

[jackvance]

Why would I fake out as the vig if I was a wolf, when a real vig can then just anonymously cap me tomorrow. Now let's get back on track. Ong is a villager, wuf has to go, i stand by what I said about him, he messed up during the whole dtb thing. Aubrey seems the most likely person to be the wolf trying to skate by.

And unless the wolves were really horsing around, jyms is a villager. I'd at the very least preserve him until some of the more pressing suspicious people have been taken care of.

if jv is a villager i will gladly self-lynch

You better honor this.

[jackvance]

Yes exactly Keith, I already gave a bigger hint there than I had wanted to, to get people to leave me alone.

[jackvance]

Yup, I agree. And banana. Neither of them have been acting like specials. jack hasn't even considered the idea that banana could be the real seer, which is more of a concern to the wolves than vig. That's because he knows he's not the seer.

We're in great shape here.

[Hoopy]

rescind jackvance

Sorry if you actually are the vig jack, I voted last night without putting much thought into it.

[Keith]

post 528

dont hit vote ten with pascal guys

post 530 big red rescinds pascal
post534 gabe posts that 10 had been reached before bigreds rescind
post 535

i think ive figured out that dtb is lying.

his wagon went bonkers in a very short time and then he miraculously showed up, but he hasn't been that active otherwise. he says hes unsure how to play special, but i dont believe that because hes a vet who has played wolf a lot and not knowing how to play special wouldn't be that much of a factor. i dont like that he looked me up because i feel the seer doesnt do that this time.

but most importantly, i think seer dtb would have more of an opinion about who's who

looks like dtb is the wolf and pascal could be too. or it could just be that dtb didnt bold pascal because hes not the seer, not becuase he didnt want to bold a fellow wolf

with Bigreds rescind wuf thought he had a chance of getting pascal saved and hang DTB so that they only lose one outed wolf. they can then probably use the argument that the wolves must have been trying to get pascal killed instead of DTB to give pascal villager credit .At the time he was typing this up he thought pascal was still alive and hadn't seen Gabe post with the count cofirming pascal was dead.However if they can't reverse the pascal wagon , he still covers his own ass saying that Pascal could be a wolf.

537 he rescinds dtb andpost 538

oh well then, was hoping to see if we were able figure out a way that dtb is still a better lynch. railroading a guy in the last couple hours is not something i like because it has happened to me, when i was vig nonetheless

when is lynching DTB ever the best in that situation.

post 539
i post 10 counted as well and ask for suggestions on who vig should shoot

post 540

we should all count the votes and if it's ten that will be the close of the thread

why so desperate to stop the discussion? could it be that he wants a vig shooting blind rather than with village input

post 543

the pascal bandwagon took off lightening fast after DTB outed.

i dont think the vig should shoot anyone that voted for pascal, its too risky. maybe the vig could wait and kill until we figure out if DTB is lying or not (i think hes not). rong/hoopy/aubrey are who i would probably shoot if my finger was itchin

Interesting thing here is that its now GABE who starts to point vig at targets.Who was it that died?He says not to shoot people who voted pascal


post 548

im not into telling the vig what to do because they usually just have to go with their gut imo, but i dont understand this rationale. it is more probable that wolves are active in the last few hours of the day (especially this one), so a higher percentage than normal of those on pascal's wagon would probably be wolves

well if wuf is a wolf he was trying to make sure that the pascal lynch didn't go through. he wanted DTB to die , so if that was the wolves agenda , what are the chances of the wolves having swapped onto pascal....pretty low....and wuf is urging the vig to shoot people on the pascal wagon.

post 550

my vote is meaningless at this point but

lynch pascal

if he's a wolf then i'm curious - would you guys assume that they were forced in to sacrificing one of their own, or that all of us on pascal's wagon are villagers and the wolves voted for jyms and dtb?

isn't a late wagon post usually wolfy and a possible noob mistake?.

day closes and results are posted
4minutes after the reopen wuggy is posting

po' gabe. im assuming he was the wolf target and xtr was vigged

followed a few minutes later

i propose we dont do much today other than lynch dtb. hes never the seer here, and it might be better to just go for him instead of focusing elsewhere and accidentally outing the real seer or vig

that said, dont be surprised when the remaining wolves turn out to be dtb bikes and jackvance. i still really like dtb boog and jyms, but im leaning towards my hope in that being the case actually being wrong

look at all the people that wuf is targetting , all low posters who could be specials hiding. ANd wuf is trying to dictate the direction the village takes hoping for a quick lynch of DTB and avoiding any serious information being revealed.

post 572

- Jyms is cleared as a villager. This is because the DTB wagon built up in the final days while Jyms was in the lead. If Jyms was a wolf, this would mean that the wolves would have no chance of not lynching a wolf

So yeah, we can confirm Jyms is a villager now

- The most suspicious wagon-hopping is Bikes because he was on Jyms the whole time but moved to Pascal after DTB outed.

what about your wagon hopping so that you weren't on a villagers wagon at the death, avoided the next highest wolfs wagon and was on the lowest wolfs wagon at the time

- JV and Boog flirted the line between a devastating lynch and brilliant lynch of DTB since they were integral in pushing him near or over the top of Jyms in the last couple hours. However, if they're wolves, they could have planned on DTB faking out then everybody hopping back onto Jyms. Perhaps they simply didn't anticipate the blowback falling on Pascal. Hoopy and Gator can be thought of similarly. However, this idea is staggered by the fact that none of them seemed at all intent on putting Jyms back in the hot seat; instead, Pascal got hit over the head pretty hard.

instead of pointing this at JV and BOOG , isn't it what happened as a result of your wagon hopping . Bet the wolves loved you for that. You were trying to be clever and it backfired badly on you

- As I'm going over this, I realize shit is convoluted as fuck. So here's what I think happened:

DTB effed up and didn't bold Jyms. JV was legit watching a movie and only eventually came back to bold Pascal because he checked for updates like a good wolf would do. But before that, Bikes made an executive decision that because both DTB and Pascal were going under, he needed to hop off Jyms onto Pascal, thus making him look super villagery since it was a cinch vote.

This is all assuming DTB is a wolf, though. I can't imagine he would not be

well you know he's a wolf lol .

post 573

TL;DR on the skype thing? I paid no attention to that as I thought it was a low blow and was grunching anyways

someone who claims to be as good as you claim surely doesn't just ignore posts as a villager or pretend to be ignorant of lines of investigation. This would have been discussed in detail in the wolves den and complaints gone in to JKDS about it at the time . you're just trying to say that because you didn't know about it you can't be a wolf.
boog and dtb have their bitch fight and then
post 593

interestingly, between dtb and boog, dtb is still the correct lynch because the probability of dtb being real seer is just so low. but what we can do is leave him be then if he isn't nom'd tonight, it becomes even more likely he's a wolf etc etc.

this is really just special-hunting on the wolves part, as they think boog is a special and they're trying to get heat on him. also they think im gung ho on attacking boog, so i should be easy to get on their side against him. the other option of them both being wolves is worth exploring though, but it is risky as fuck

overally, though, im not interested in doing anything other than lynching dtb. i do not believe he is the seer at all, and i think going after somebody else only makes it more likely we accidentally out the real seer or vig. but that's just me, and im not pushing that on anybody

wuf totally focussed on getting DTB dead so that his villageriness is given a boost even though everyone says its stupid to kill DTB.

there follows some more between boog and DTB and
post 605

btw i have confirmed boog is villager and dtb is wolf.

boog is winning that exchange hands down. two wolves faking wouldn't have that dynamic and dtb being legit would be more fervent about his position

boog is smashing DTB and the chances of getting boog lynched have gone out of the window so wuf wants to end it .
post 609

the thing about this is that it coincides with boog's fervent attack of low activity players this cycle

one thing ive learned about boog is that he will always (always) surprise you

but he wants to keep boog as a backup in case its necessary.

and the EGO post of the game

post 610

I'm not sure what to think, I really do need the input of others.

But I do know that a wolf who acts legit like a villager is a sight to behold. Most cannot pull that off

wuf thinks he's pwning the village here and can't help boasting so that he can quote it post game.
post 611 more ego boasting

dont get me wrong tho, both boog and jv could be wolves. be sure to come to your own conclusions on that.

the game when i got gator lynched effectively lost the whole thing for the village, and ive learned that no matter how sure you are, you might be wrong. furthermore, my moddings have shown me that things are never what meets the eye and constant reevalutation is necessary

having had to stop the attacks on boog with no wagon taking off on him he needs to switch targets so post 614 he switches to me.

So Keith bold Boog before anybody bolds anybody then DTB says he looked up Boog and bolds him?

I'm sorry but this is precisely the kind of thing Keith did the last time he was wolf

Both DTB and Keith are wolves

point of order, it was the first time i started as a wolf where wilbur had said that he wouldn't have time to play much and would look suspicious and i came up with the plan to take advantage of wilbur not being able to put much time in and he would have a short sharp spurt of involvement.Bigred modded that game , so he can verify the truth about that. Everytime i get a wolf since then though it is brought up that i am capable of killing a fellow wolf, and every game i have to point out that i will never get away with it again.

The other time i was a wolf and vig converted if he shot a wolf , but sdm outed himself as the vig and said he was shooting me.In a previous game SDM had shot me as a villager .with my history with SDM That left me no option but to out as angel and hope that the real angel would save me so that the angel would convert and become an unknown wolf.Rilla saw through it though.

post 615 ong insta rebuts that theory

lol really wuf? Come on, on what planet does a wolf try to hang another wolf by pointing out the skype comment? It's real hard to not base my read on that, but keith is pretty much a lock villager in my eyes. That would be really fucking sick.

post 616

I asked for the tldr of the skype thing because i didn't pay one iota of attention to it.

Again , surely a villager with all the skype references would have gone and looked it up since it was pivotal in a wolf lynch especially as he now wants to lynch me.

post 619 +620 was wufs outrage

This pisses me off because what Keith did is against the rules and he fucking knows it, but because it's not the most unbearably obvious offense, JKDS let it slide.

We should lynch him out of principle despite the fact that the whole dynamic of the situation proves he's a villager

wuf knows full well its wasn't against the rules at the time . Really sly move trying to get a villager lynched "out of principle" especially as hes a wolf. Also gives them a chance to have another go at getting the seerwithout losing a wolf.

post 621

To clarify, I would let it slide too if I was modding. Keith should have known better

post 626

I saw the big pink letters, but I didn't care. I've discovered that my play style is very intuitive, and this means that I often ignore lots of stuff only to at a later date return and finally read it. This is because I can only evaluate suspicions when I have a premise to refer to. For example, this is how I've figured out that DTB is a wolf. After he outed as the seer, I found it very interesting to figure out whether or not he's lying, so I then read all his posts that I had partially skipped before, and due to my higher density of focus due to specific interest, I was able to come to a conclusion

Ofc we don't know if he's a wolf yet, but I'm positive he is, and explaining why I think that is answering your question of why I heavily grunch sometimes

Also, when I see somebody breaking the rules, I simply do not care about what they were posting about. I have an idea of who is what based on an observation that I do not think is completely fair play, and for that reason, I haven't mentioned it and I won't

WUf acknowledging that he is a shit villager because he doesn't read posts ? really ? with his EGO.?

post 671 boog posts his attack on wuf and lynchs jyms ,


post 698

I'm gonna pull back on Jyms being lock-villager for a few reasons and will explain the wagon dynamic as simply being incompetence or FPS. Wolves are incompetent more often than I tend to give them credit for and it's possible they were going for some serious trickery too. I don't necessarily think this means what I previously thought was wrong, but whatever.

DTB is never the seer. Never ever ever. I'd rather lynch him because I think the probability of him being the seer is lower than the probability of accidentally outing the real seer or vig by going after somebody else

I love Boog's post about me. It's actually really good and I've been wondering if somebody would look for patterns that I have seen do exist ITT. When it comes to my villageriness, I knew coming into this game that I would get a pass on the first few days simply due to having modded the last two games. I guess it's silly for me to even post this as it's silly to prematurely defend, but what I said about Pascal when I was the first bold on him on Day 1 is not something I would say in the forum if I was a wolf. I would instead have told him to fix his shit in chat because he was doing the same wolf behavior he had previously

I'm feeling the last two wolves might be among Jyms and Bikes and JV. They just feel wrong to me, like how Pascal and DTB did as well

I guess the only reason I'm not bolding DTB ATM is I don't wanna turn this day into a big ass argument over whether we should kill him

JV putting Boog as the seer is really strange. He knows he shouldn't do that sort of thing. Furthermore, JV lynching BR based on his idea that Boog is the seer is doubly strange. It looks like JV is overcompensating in trying to be all hunty of dem barky barks.

As to that old ass post of Boog attacking me on day one or whatever, I didn't respond to it because I was wasted when I posted it, and I said as much, and I purposely fling shit around in the early days. So what inconsistencies Boog pointed out are fine and I'm not particularly in the mood to deny that at one point I said Hoopy caught JV wolfin then shortly later said Hoopy's rationale was bonkers. This is standard egowugy stuff

first paragraph is hilarious if wuf really is a wolf and sums up his incompetence.He tries to deflect with his boog comments and play them down and then moves his attack onto other low content posters JV,jyms and bikes

post 700

let's do it:

lynch jackvance

post 701

I think we should do Jyms vs JV wagons

pressing ahead with the seer hunting now .
post 703

actually right now my gut tells me jyms and jv are the last two wolves

post 704

and if that's the case, it's possible that dtb is really the seer. that would blow my fucking mind though as i dont believe a word he says

post 708

Going over Keith's posts

1. He has a hard on like crazy for Boog. Ofc this is standard Keith as he always pops an uncontrollable erection for one player in the beginning and never lets up until he's dead

2. He can't be written off due to the Pascal thing. Keith is precisely the kind of player who goes overly FPS as a wolf. Gatting your own wolves is not the correct strategy because it reduces overall win probability, but it's the only way Keith wants to win as a wolf

post 709

This also means that Keith and Boog could both be wolves. Unlikely, but could

funny how wuf is spraying out suspects and waiting to see which takes off. Seems to have forgotten that he's already said that boog was smashing DTB in the discourse they had. I've explained how the two wolf actions of mine went down , first was taking advantage of fellow wolf not being available to play and second was forced on me . Gator may remember my first wolf game when i was recruited by pelion which i played pretty straightforward as a wolf.

#722

Yeah this is just too much. There's just something about the way Jyms has been participating while also not participating. It's so strong that I'm now thinking maybe DTB is the seer and the Jyms/Boog connection I saw early on is true, or if DTB and Jyms are wolves then it was really just a lack of preparation that got the wagons the way they did when everybody flipped from Jyms to DTB to Pascal

rescind JV lynch jyms

Almost every time somebody doesn't do anything but defend themselves and make excuses and not do what they say they're gonna, they're a wolf

Jack and gator had just voted jyms and wuf joins in . this lools like WUF trying to find a special to me , he needs to get wagons rolling on low post count people to try and force true seer to out themselves.

#723

I think that's six for jyms so two more is the eighth cinch vote

trying to force the issue

#724

tbh a pascal dtb jyms boog team does work because it would allow for them to not have prepared well enough on day 2 to make sure that the dtb seer out fell on a villager, and dtb claiming boog is a wolf would then be pretty much the only way they could win the game: by expecting every wolf is going under except boog if theyre able to pull a heavy trick there

I find boog's idea of the jyms/wuf link a little contrived, but it is the kind of thing boog would have to do if hes on a team with pascal dtb and jyms

except its every wolf but wugy is going down.

then ongie points at JV and wuf insta rescinds

#731

Damn Ong, that is some legit fucking hunting. That's seriously really good

Can you further explain why you think this means Jyms is a villager? Also more about Boog. In my mind there could still be a connection between JV and Jyms or JV and Boog. It's really convoluted though and I can't make sense of it right now (if at all), but I feel like if JV's a wolf, then there is something going on that is a trick that we're not seeing.

lynch jv

If you're right, that's some of the best hunting I've seen. The JVP is not somebody who gets lynched on Day 3 that easily

Jyms is getting close and no special outing this gives him a chance at a JV wagon and test his seer possibility.

#734

One thing is that JV has gone out of his way to rack up Jyms' villager cred. If JV turns baddy, it means that he spent time figuring out how to explain why Jyms is a villager for the same reason I did.

It's just that Jyms has shown up way too many times only for his own defense (and to switch to Pascal).

promoting the wagon whilst still keeping suspicion on jyms

#737

Actually wait, if JV is a wolf, he's on Jyms' wagon now. Granted, I also set in motion the dynamic of deciding only between Jyms and JV

hoping that he can claim credit as a villager for forcing the wagon ?

#747

If JV shows wolf and Jyms is a villager, my lead suspect becomes Hoopy

Because Hoopy would be the other wagon with 3 or more votes that never actually took off in the Jyms DTB Pascal thing, and the way he called out JV's wolfin on Day 1 makes sense if they're both wolves. Also he's been one of my main wolf picks the entire game, but nobody else likes it so I've had to abandon it

whys he suddenly pulling up another low post count player?And he knows that JV is never coming back a wolf so is he hoping to give hoopy cover here. Interesting when hoopy later comes in and lynches JV with now reasoning


for the TLDR brigade ...wuf is a wolf and im really suspicious of hoopy.

[Hoopy]

Ok so we can't touch any of DTB, BooG, wuf, JV right now because their roles could be revealed in the next few days.

Also JV was 4th on the resurgent DTB wagon late day 2 (post #475), risky vote if they were both wolves. wuf was the 3rd vote, derailing jyms wagon in progress.

[GatorJH]

I can't wait to say I told you so to the two biggest conspiracy theory WW players in history. Or I could end up being the dumbass here. It will be interesting none the less.

Wuf tops my list and I am still not sold on Jyms but he can wait. As for who to lynch today my preferences in order would be Aubrey>bikes>bigred.

For now rescind jv