WW 2013 Edition: The Conglomerate

[daven]

wow, not much activity since the night ended. Ok, i'm fine with either a Boog690 or an Aubrey lynch. Has anyone done a readthrough on Nightgizmo now that we know he's a wolf? I had him in my group of unknowns and when i read through his posts I didn't seen anything from him that put him firmly in either camp. This might change a little now that I know he's a wolf, there should be clues somewhere in his posts or voting history that will help us figure out the remaining wolf. Time to eat breakfast then grind, i'll look over Nightgizmo's posts after that.

[wufwugy]

boog is a wolf here every single time. not like 98% of the time, but 100%. he never "accepts" his fate as a villager like he has done this game. he basically showed up and has no opinion about new developments and the last wolf other than "i'll die if you think i should"? 110% wolf, without question. likewise he never lets dtb off the hook after he was named.

the game is over as soon as boog dies. gg

btw he got super demoralized when gizmo was shot and realized that the fps of trying to find the seer instead of killing jv when he first outed cost them the game

[JKDS]

Vote Count 5.02

Aubrey(4): Bigred, Hoopy, Boog, Gator
Boog(4): Wufwugy, Jackvance, Keith, Aubrey

Not Voting:, Ongbonga, Daven

Deadline is in 1day, 6hrs, 20min. With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

All I can taste is this moment and all I can breathe is your life.

[wufwugy]

If Aubrey is a wolf then the fact that Wufwugy is avoiding talking about her or analysing her (or voting to lynch her?) is going to continue to cause us problems. Taking a line of 'i know her in real life. She isn't wolf' just doesn't help us at all.

What I've been doing is not imposing my will because I think that would be unfair because there are several ways I think I can tell what her role is that others can't. So I'm not going to go balls to the wall in defending her if I think she's a villager. However, I do think she's a villager, and I pointed out as much after she did something that every player could use as evidence for such when she called the noms "lynches" on Day 2. This showed that she hadn't been talking with the wolves about the night kill

Regardless, I am supremely confident that boog is the final wolf, and I don't care how we get to lynching him, just that it does before he magically ends up winning.

[Hoopy]

rescind aubrey
lynch BooG

[jackvance]

re hoopy, i posted something I'd noticed about his votes that cleared him (at the time anyway) in my eyes. Here's the post:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2130946

You're doing something wrong with pasting permalinks to posts. This one, like many others you have shown before, just links to the top of p13. And you didn't make a post on that page. Can you point to what you're talking about here?

[daven]

You're doing something wrong with pasting permalinks to posts. This one, like many others you have shown before, just links to the top of p13. And you didn't make a post on that page. Can you point to what you're talking about here?

has anyone else had this issue?

I'm not sure what's going on with this. When i'm logged in and i hit the link it goes straight to the relevant post. When i'm not logged in it doesn't. It's probably something to do with the posts/page options? I don't know how permalinks like this work. The post i am linking to is # 1274.

also, i'll try and find that post from Ong to see if he will be back in time to vote today.

[daven]

We need to decide what we're doing. Let's not allow wolfjack to seal a late lynch on someone who shouldn't even be targetted.

I'm away on a stag do from friday to sunday, then with family until tuesday, so my activity is going to be ridiculously low next ww day, apologies in advance.

ong, post 1524

[OngBonga]

Hi guys, I'm back from an awesome weekend, still a bit busy but I'm around this evening and am currently catching up.

Nice shot jack, and sorry for forcing you to claim. That was an epically bad read of mine, I guess I got overconfident after pascal and banana flipped wolf. I hope you see why I thought you were a wolf, for my part I'll remember in future that a strong case for wolf doesn't always mean wolf. So yeah, sorry.

Incoming catch up post...

[jackvance]

has anyone else had this issue?

I'm not sure what's going on with this. When i'm logged in and i hit the link it goes straight to the relevant post. When i'm not logged in it doesn't. It's probably something to do with the posts/page options? I don't know how permalinks like this work. The post i am linking to is # 1274.

Seems indeed to be a case of different posts/page. I'm on 50 per page (the default?) and you are on 100/page, because your link names it at page 13 and mine at page 26. Btw I don't really see how you are clearing Hoopy there.

[jackvance]

In any case it's just a numbers game, we should lynch boog/hoopy/aubrey for sure, in whatever order.

[OngBonga]

I don't think boog is wolf, I think wuf is. But I'm interested to see what people were saying when gizmo's name was being dropped yesterday, make no mistake this is a huge loss to the wolves. The last wolf was almost certainly on the jyms wagon, I can't emphasise enough how retarded I think that lynch was. This is now my core reason for being suspicious of wuf... he knew how strong the case was for jyms being a villager, so why did he vote for him? Because gizmo was a potential target if jyms wasn't lynched maybe? I think wuf is good enough and smart enough to play like this as a wolf. He saw boog win last game by basically throwing me under the bus, of course he's going to put distance between himself and the others.

I don't think boog is a wolf, he's not acting like one, he got named by the wolfseer as a wolf when the real seer was still hidden, I don't particularly like the lynch. But having said that I can't provide a solid case for him being a villager, so I'll reluctantly vote for him if needs be.

[daven]

Seems indeed to be a case of different posts/page. I'm on 50 per page (the default?) and you are on 100/page, because your link names it at page 13 and mine at page 26. Btw I don't really see how you are clearing Hoopy there.

at the time i thought the timing on his vote was huge and i still think it's an unlikely vote for a wolf to make. But unlikely isn't enough to make someone a lock-villager, so i'm about ready to put him back in the possible wolf category.

[daven]

I don't think boog is wolf, I think wuf is. But I'm interested to see what people were saying when gizmo's name was being dropped yesterday, make no mistake this is a huge loss to the wolves. The last wolf was almost certainly on the jyms wagon, I can't emphasise enough how retarded I think that lynch was. This is now my core reason for being suspicious of wuf... he knew how strong the case was for jyms being a villager, so why did he vote for him? Because gizmo was a potential target if jyms wasn't lynched maybe? I think wuf is good enough and smart enough to play like this as a wolf. He saw boog win last game by basically throwing me under the bus, of course he's going to put distance between himself and the others.

I don't think boog is a wolf, he's not acting like one, he got named by the wolfseer as a wolf when the real seer was still hidden, I don't particularly like the lynch. But having said that I can't provide a solid case for him being a villager, so I'll reluctantly vote for him if needs be.

i still think wuf is a villager. If we somehow haven't hit the wolf in the next two lynches then we should obviously start looking at him more closely again.

[daven]

Lynch Boog690 - as Jack said it's a numbers game and we have the wolf pool narrowed down to only a few likely candidates.

[OngBonga]

Why are we lynching the person that our claimed seer said is 99% villager?

[OngBonga]

claimed was meant to say confirmed, obv. I'm pretty stoned and hungover lol.

[OngBonga]

Jyms is in the lead (7) with less than 4 hours to go, Pascal second (4) but close to the rest, then boog shows up putting major heat on DTB, the wagon flips over and DTB gets piled on.

This is a good reason to not lynch boog today.

I'm busy at work too, but at least find time to check in. As for Daven's and Gizmo as long as they continue to try an add value we can leave them be for now.

Gator looks like an acceptable lynch.

how? nobody, and that means nobody, was on any wagon that wasnt dtb pascal or jyms. the only wagon that was above 2 was hoopy and that was only for as long as i pushed for it. the wolves would have to be so unbearably incompetent to let the only 3 lynchable wagons, at a time when everything was so dispersed, land on only wolves.

So why did you vote to lynch him wuf? You're oh so sure boog is a wolf, but here you present a solid reason for someone being a villager, then later abandon that read.

Next post you say this...

whatever, looks like jyms vs boog then. which im okay with. there are not that many better lynches today.

So you're ok lynching the person who you recognise should be cleared, and the person the seer has named as 99% likely villager. No better lynches? Gizmo was a lynch option yesterday, and so were you.

I think we go for BooG or gizmo today.

Hoopy is probably a villager.

I like Aubrey/Hoopy.

Lynch Hoopy out of spite.

This was straight after hoopy suggested gizmo for lynch, boog loses a few villager points there.

Next post...

I could get in a hoopy wagon....

Gator could be a wolf.

people who have yet to get off the b00g wagon make me super super suspect.

That would be wuf and jyms.

there are a few players i havent examined yet, and gizmo is one. so i have no opinion on gizmo atm

i simply think aubrey is less often a wolf than jyms. this is pretty much just due to me thinking i know her behavior so well that i could pick her out as a villager or a wolf a mile away, and im picking villager.

i dont like a jyms lynch, but it's a rock and hard place sorta thing

Ok so somebody please tell me why wuf is a villager, because I do not fucking agree. Jack, you think he's a villager, I trust you now and value your opinion, so why do you think he's a villager? What am I missing?

[daven]

Nightgizmo didn't post much content on day 1. Reading through his posts and he was mostly all about lynching inactives and this theme was argued repeatedly through all of his posts.

He made a suggestion that he was tempted to lynch Pascal cos he seemed dodgy in several of his posts. He had an interplay with Ongbonga (posts 134/141) that probably doesn't mean anything either way but is worth reading in case any of you can see anything more than i can. He states that lynching me on day 1 is a 'pretty bad idea' (post 183) when rong asks gabe/gizmo/bikes what they think about lynching me,

[daven]

Why are we lynching the person that our claimed seer said is 99% villager?

i'll look through bikes' posts once i've finished reading through nightgizmo's.

[daven]

Ok so somebody please tell me why wuf is a villager, because I do not fucking agree. Jack, you think he's a villager, I trust you now and value your opinion, so why do you think he's a villager? What am I missing?

are you basing your belief that wuf is a wolf on evidence for him being a wolf, or lack of evidence for him being a villager? He argued his case pretty strongly over the last couple of days. Note that I still have all of Gator/Aubrey/Boog/you as more likely wolves than Wuf, and Hoopy is starting to look less solid-villager as well.

[OngBonga]

Boog690 - prob villager
Hoopy - prob villager
Wufwugy - ?
Ongbonga - villager
Jackvance - vig
Daven - prob villager
Gator - ?
Aubrey - ?
Keith - confirmed villager
Bigred - confirmed villager

I would like to see a ? get lynched today.

[OngBonga]

are you basing your belief that wuf is a wolf on evidence for him being a wolf, or lack of evidence for him being a villager? He argued his case pretty strongly over the last couple of days. Note that I still have all of Gator/Aubrey/Boog/you as more likely wolves than Wuf, and Hoopy is starting to look less solid-villager as well.

I'm arguing that a villager wuf does not approve of a jyms lynch when he's already told us why jyms was a villager. The reason wuf voted for jyms yesterday was because he knows boog isn't getting lynched while bikes is alive, and other options were wuf and gizmo.

While everyone else seems to be saying he was fighting his corner well, I thought he screamed wolf yesterday. I was wrong about jack, I can easily be wrong about wuf, I get that. But my reason for thinking jack was a wolf was detailed, it wasn't a random hunch. And I have reason to think wuf is a wolf. It's not random finger wagging.

[daven]

Nightgizmo day 2
no content until a post talking about at XTR (383), who he says he chose based on low post count - suggests that XTR's posts were pretty much air + defence and that he thinks XTR looks like a wolf
then he posts talking about Dropthebanana (385), again due to low post count. States that there is no content in the posts and that we should lynch either of XTR or DTB - preference for XTR.
post 409 he talks about bikes, again criticising for posting no content.
post 447 - there were 3 wagons and he went with Jyms over pascal and dtb. Which is meaninless info now that we know Pascal/DTB/Gizmo are all wolves.

[daven]

Boog690 - prob villager
Hoopy - prob villager
Wufwugy - ?
Ongbonga - villager
Jackvance - vig
Daven - prob villager
Gator - ?
Aubrey - ?
Keith - confirmed villager
Bigred - confirmed villager

I would like to see a ? get lynched today.

who do you think is most likely wolf out of Gator and Aubrey? They're both on my ? list as well.

[Hoopy]

I think we hit 6 with daven's vote.

[daven]

I'm arguing that a villager wuf does not approve of a jyms lynch when he's already told us why jyms was a villager. The reason wuf voted for jyms yesterday was because he knows boog isn't getting lynched while bikes is alive, and other options were wuf and gizmo.

While everyone else seems to be saying he was fighting his corner well, I thought he screamed wolf yesterday. I was wrong about jack, I can easily be wrong about wuf, I get that. But my reason for thinking jack was a wolf was detailed, it wasn't a random hunch. And I have reason to think wuf is a wolf. It's not random finger wagging.

i'm pretty much going to have to read through all of Wufwugy's posts if he's still alive and we somehow don't hit a wolf today or tomorrow. I almost want to lynch him just to avoid the risk of needing to read his walls of convoluted logic and repeated use of the word 'logistically' - well, not quite. Any chance of you bullet-pointing your argument for Wuf being a wolf?

[Hoopy]

who do you think is most likely wolf out of Gator and Aubrey? They're both on my ? list as well.

aubrey > Gator right now, dangerous to have Gator as one of the final 3 though as he's a very crafty wolf.

[daven]

I think we hit 6 with daven's vote.

ok, i'm going to take a break from wolf hunting until we hear about boog cos there is a pretty good chance that it's all redundant now.

[jackvance]

It's 6 for boog yes, if he isn't a wolf, hoopy/aubrey next.

[jackvance]

Oh and wuf isn't a wolf, just take my word for it guys.

[JKDS]

Vote Count 5.03

Aubrey(3): Bigred, Boog, Gator
Boog(6, LYNCH): Wufwugy, Jackvance, Keith, Aubrey, Hoopy, Daven

Not Voting:, Ongbonga

A lynch has been reached!!! Results incoming

Cuz sooner or later its over, I just dont want to miss you tonight...

[JKDS]

Sometimes people die.

[JKDS]

Boog, a Villager, has been lynched!

The Conglomerate

Living Members of the board
Hoopy
Wufwugy
Ongbonga
Jackvance
Daven
Gator
Aubrey
Keith
Bigred

7 Villagers
1 Even Night Vigilante
1 Wolves

The Deceased
Fulksy, The Angel, Lynched Day 1
TLR, Regular Villager, Killed Night 1
Pascal, Wolf, Lynched Day 2
Gabe, Regular Villager, Killed Night 2
XTR1000, Regular Villager, Killed Night 2
Dropthebanana, Wolf, Lynched Day 3
Rong, Regular Villager, Killed Night 3
Jyms, Regular Villager, Lynched Day 4
Bikes, The Seer, Killed Night 4
Nightgizmo, Wolf, Killed Night 4
Boog, Regular Villager, Lynched Day 5

It is now Night 5. Night will last 24 hours. The wolves may elect to extend this to 48 hours for any reason. The vigilante cannot fire tonight.

[JKDS]

Othertimes people die.

[JKDS]

Jackvance, The Vigilante, has been killed!

The Conglomerate

Living Members of the board
Hoopy
Wufwugy
Ongbonga
Daven
Gator
Aubrey
Keith
Bigred

7 Villagers
1 Wolves

The Deceased
Fulksy, The Angel, Lynched Day 1
TLR, Regular Villager, Killed Night 1
Pascal, Wolf, Lynched Day 2
Gabe, Regular Villager, Killed Night 2
XTR1000, Regular Villager, Killed Night 2
Dropthebanana, Wolf, Lynched Day 3
Rong, Regular Villager, Killed Night 3
Jyms, Regular Villager, Lynched Day 4
Bikes, The Seer, Killed Night 4
Nightgizmo, Wolf, Killed Night 4
Boog, Regular Villager, Lynched Day 5
Jackvance, The Vigilante, Killed Night 5

It is now Day 6. Deadline will be 72 hours from now. With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[OngBonga]

Ok next person to bold hoopy is a fucking wolf. I'm saying this now, if final three is me, daven and wuf, I'm letting random.org decide. Stop lynching people I think are villagers please guys.

[OngBonga]

Fuck, I just realised... we have an even number, so we're not gonna get to a final three if it gets that far... it'll be a final four, which is better for the wolf.

Wolf is one of wuf, daven, gator or aubrey imo. 50-50 chance of making it to final day, where I think wolf would be 2:1 favourite, in terms of pure probability. Factor in the uncertainty about hoopy and myself, and this is real close. Fuck's sake, last two lynches have been so retarded. Wolf is basically the dog end of a flip. How have we allowed it to get this close?

mod - can we vote to no lynch?

I'll explain why this is a viable village tactic if JK says it's allowed.

[Hoopy]

We have 3 more chances to get the last wolf. If everyone contributes we'll do it.

Today I'm going to reread the entire thread to look for anything suspicious.

[Hoopy]

Regardless I think we should lynch aubrey or me today like jack suggested.

[wufwugy]

I was immensely pissed when Boog flipped villager and was considering stuffing more sand up my vagina and not even playing. I hate this game so much sometimes. Certain things I like, certain things I don't, and making beautiful reads is what I like, but being wrong is what I loathe. Ong should have pointed out what Boog did to the DTB wagon earlier because that could have been a viable reason why Boog wasn't a wolf. Other than that, my read was pretty stellar, but as with everything in this game, it's really just idiotic randomness

So I don't have much to say. I don't like endgame play even though history has shown that's the only time my reads are ever actually any good. Aubrey should probably die because she's not helping anybody and she could be a wolf and I'm just reading something wrong about her. Basically I'm just down with doing what JV said, but I also think Ong is the final wolf. I don't feel like hitting on that now though because I hate this game now, but there are ways he could be the final wolf. I'm still convinced Boog is the wolf and the game should really be over....

[JKDS]

mod - can we vote to no lynch?

No. There must always be a lynch.

I have a bruise on my arm that looks like Mickey Mouse's head.

[Keith]

which of you guys would be willing to self lynch ?

[aubreymcfate]

i'm ok with self-lynching if me not being wolf makes you the most sure about who is wolf. if my death won't say much, it's going to be a wasted lynch for you guys.

gator has been similar to nightgizmo in terms of activity, so there's that.

daven could be coached and playing up how active he is to mislead us, but somehow i dont think thats the case.

i dont think ong and wuf are wolves...

i say either lynch me then gator, or gator then me.

Hoopy could also be playing the sickest wolf. but considering the transparency of their last tactics, that may not be too likely.

[OngBonga]

Ong should have pointed out what Boog did to the DTB wagon earlier because that could have been a viable reason why Boog wasn't a wolf.

Yeah, because the village listened to me when I said over and over that jyms was a villager.

What you're doing here wuf is passing the buck. I don't think I've bolded boog once in the entire game, nor jyms. Yet here you are suggesting I should have been the one to stop this lynch. All I did was requote something jack said... why didn't you listen to jack first time it was said? Why not listen to bikes when he says a boog lynch is stupid? Why wait for me to come back from my stag do and maybe notice why boog is likely villager just as daven seals the lynch?

And he even dares to say I'm the final wolf? Wuf, who was trying to swing the village towards a gizmo lynch the day jyms got lynched? I'll tell you... me and hoopy. This is after we both sniffed out pascal and banana. Village should be putting trust in myself and hoopy to put us in a stronger position, but no, everyone wants hoopy dead and wuf wants to point the finger at me.

How is wuf a villager? Can anyone other than wuf try and explain it to me please?

[wufwugy]

Yeah, because the village listened to me when I said over and over that jyms was a villager.

What you're doing here wuf is passing the buck. I don't think I've bolded boog once in the entire game, nor jyms. Yet here you are suggesting I should have been the one to stop this lynch. All I did was requote something jack said... why didn't you listen to jack first time it was said? Why not listen to bikes when he says a boog lynch is stupid? Why wait for me to come back from my stag do and maybe notice why boog is likely villager just as daven seals the lynch?

And he even dares to say I'm the final wolf? Wuf, who was trying to swing the village towards a gizmo lynch the day jyms got lynched? I'll tell you... me and hoopy. This is after we both sniffed out pascal and banana. Village should be putting trust in myself and hoopy to put us in a stronger position, but no, everyone wants hoopy dead and wuf wants to point the finger at me.

How is wuf a villager? Can anyone other than wuf try and explain it to me please?

Both jack and bikes thought boog was a good lynch. Perhaps not in entirety, though. I wasn't passing the buck, just stating I missed that. I forgot you were at stag party though.

Jyms died with four votes, one of which was from me protecting myself

I don't really care who the last wolf is because I get too involved in this game and I'm sick of it

[OngBonga]

Wuf, please look at bike's most recent posts before he got nommed, then tell me again that bikes thought boog was a good lynch. Hurry now.

[wufwugy]

i wont deny that, but one of his first posts after i made my boog read was that killing boog was good. i tried to get him to explain why but he never did. lots of people are all over the place, myself included

[daven]

ok, i had two major suspects yesterday. One got lynched. One didn't. Nothing has changed my view that Aubrey should be a lynch target. She's either wolf or a villager that is liable to make mistakes that could lose the game for us if she survives much longer.

[daven]

Ok next person to bold hoopy is a fucking wolf.

i'm not sure why this is? but i agree that we should are a few players we should be hesitant to bold without posting good reasons for it. Hoopy is difficult - i can argue for him being a wolf based on the TLR night kill and reads associated with Jackvance, but there is something about him that feels 'villagery' - i know that isn't a great point on which to base a decision, but it's something that i think is relevant anyway

[daven]

mod - can we vote to no lynch?

I'll explain why this is a viable village tactic if JK says it's allowed.

i think this is a bad idea. With none left we aren't at risk of killing a special, we're better than random at hitting a wolf because we have two lock-villagers, wolves are 100% going to hit a villager if we don't lynch and then things get even more difficult for us, plus we miss a day worth of voting reads.

[daven]

Today I'm going to reread the entire thread to look for anything suspicious.

i think we should all do this. Taking into huge consideration the roles that we now know.

[daven]

I was immensely pissed when Boog flipped villager and was considering stuffing more sand up my vagina and not even playing. I hate this game so much sometimes. Certain things I like, certain things I don't, and making beautiful reads is what I like, but being wrong is what I loathe. Ong should have pointed out what Boog did to the DTB wagon earlier because that could have been a viable reason why Boog wasn't a wolf. Other than that, my read was pretty stellar, but as with everything in this game, it's really just idiotic randomness

So I don't have much to say. I don't like endgame play even though history has shown that's the only time my reads are ever actually any good. Aubrey should probably die because she's not helping anybody and she could be a wolf and I'm just reading something wrong about her. Basically I'm just down with doing what JV said, but I also think Ong is the final wolf. I don't feel like hitting on that now though because I hate this game now, but there are ways he could be the final wolf. I'm still convinced Boog is the wolf and the game should really be over....

something about this sounds wolf to me. It doesn't sound that convincing when he throws out lines like 'Aubrey should probably die' and 'i also think Ong is the final wolf' without putting in any analysis beyond 'there are ways he could be the final wolf'.

Re the last line about being convinced Boog is the wolf, i felt that Jyms was pretty lock-wolf and i was wrong. It happens. I've had three lynch targets all game (i think?): Pascal on day 1 cos he screamed wolf, same on day 2, Jyms on days 3 and 4 for the same reason, and Boog yesterday because he was among the players i found most suspicious and he was getting votes from the two active players from the known villagers (who are the only players i know for sure aren't engaged in some massive level-war).

[daven]

which of you guys would be willing to self lynch ?

i don't see how a self lynch from anyone helps us here at all? we end up one more villager down without even a chance of hitting a wolf.

[daven]

i'm ok with self-lynching if me not being wolf makes you the most sure about who is wolf. if my death won't say much, it's going to be a wasted lynch for you guys.

gator has been similar to nightgizmo in terms of activity, so there's that.

daven could be coached and playing up how active he is to mislead us, but somehow i dont think thats the case.

i dont think ong and wuf are wolves...

i say either lynch me then gator, or gator then me.

Hoopy could also be playing the sickest wolf. but considering the transparency of their last tactics, that may not be too likely.

lynching you only tells me whether or not you are a wolf. On what do you base your opinion that Wufwugy isn't a wolf?
Why shouldn't i suspect that you were a wolf being coached and that you have been really nervous since the last coach got hit by the vig? and that the only remaining thread you can hang on is that they advised you to be happy to offer yourself as a lynch to help the village?

[OngBonga]

daven, the point myself and keith are making about no lynch and self lynch etc, this means that should we get to final day, we have 2 villagers vs 1 wolf instead of 3 villagers vs 1 wolf... with more villagers, it's easier to mislynch and more work for those left. This all means that it's actually favourable for us to lose another villager without using up our lynch. However, mod isn't playing ball here, and it seems we're stuck with a shitty final day in we don't lynch the wolf in our next two lynches.

[daven]

Yeah, because the village listened to me when I said over and over that jyms was a villager.

i got it wrong re Jyms, but i had worked hard through the wagon where people had said the evidence lay and i saw nothing there that cleared him.

And he even dares to say I'm the final wolf? Wuf, who was trying to swing the village towards a gizmo lynch the day jyms got lynched? I'll tell you... me and hoopy. This is after we both sniffed out pascal and banana. Village should be putting trust in myself and hoopy to put us in a stronger position, but no, everyone wants hoopy dead and wuf wants to point the finger at me.

How is wuf a villager? Can anyone other than wuf try and explain it to me please?

re the gizmo lynch, i'll have to re-read this obviously but if it's as you describe then it could be a good step towards clearing you and Hoopy in my book.
re how is wuf a villager? wuf could be a villager, he's looking more and more likely to be a wolf though. Didn't Bikes say something along the lines of Wufwugy needing to be lynched before endgame? His sheer volume of content posts should help us figure it out though.

[wufwugy]

why did jv think gator is a villager? he seems to be the least scrutinized of all

[daven]

I don't really care who the last wolf is because I get too involved in this game and I'm sick of it

ok, first you post that endgame is where you are strongest, and then you post that you don't want to be involved in endgame. Would you really be sick of it if you were a villager, rather than getting the kudos of closing it out for us?

[daven]

daven, the point myself and keith are making about no lynch and self lynch etc, this means that should we get to final day, we have 2 villagers vs 1 wolf instead of 3 villagers vs 1 wolf... with more villagers, it's easier to mislynch and more work for those left. This all means that it's actually favourable for us to lose another villager without using up our lynch. However, mod isn't playing ball here, and it seems we're stuck with a shitty final day in we don't lynch the wolf in our next two lynches.

i'm not following here exactly. I can see how getting down to 4 players sucks, but surely getting down to 3 players just as bad? Neither villager can bold a player unless they're 100% confident because if a villager gets bolded then the wolf can jump in and win it. At least with 4 players there is room to move. I'm feeling a bit stupid on this one though, noting that you and Keith have probably thought about this a lot. Is werewolf endgame solved in the same way as chess is? Bikes wrote something about the game playing itself in one of his posts and it confused me then, and still does.

[wufwugy]

ok, first you post that endgame is where you are strongest, and then you post that you don't want to be involved in endgame. Would you really be sick of it if you were a villager, rather than getting the kudos of closing it out for us?

Those two are not mutually exclusive. It's not like it's important, but I don't like the endgame in literally anything. Historically, my reads have been utter shit in early game and fantastic in endgame, but I still do not find endgame fun

[daven]

Those two are not mutually exclusive. It's not like it's important, but I don't like the endgame in literally anything. Historically, my reads have been utter shit in early game and fantastic in endgame, but I still do not find endgame fun

ok, makes sense i guess. Obviously doesn't make me any less suspicious of you though.

Gator's posts about lynching he or Aubrey are interesting. I still can't get all the implications, but right now i think that [Gator/Aubrey/Wufwugy] is where our final wolf is hiding.
I would like to hear from Keith before bolding anyone who isn't Aubrey. I'd be happy to lynch her right now.

[OngBonga]

i'm not following here exactly. I can see how getting down to 4 players sucks, but surely getting down to 3 players just as bad? Neither villager can bold a player unless they're 100% confident because if a villager gets bolded then the wolf can jump in and win it. At least with 4 players there is room to move. I'm feeling a bit stupid on this one though, noting that you and Keith have probably thought about this a lot. Is werewolf endgame solved in the same way as chess is? Bikes wrote something about the game playing itself in one of his posts and it confused me then, and still does.

There was a point where game played itself, because if I got to endgame with jyms and boog, we win without breaking a sweat.

And a 2vs1 endgame is much better than a 3vs1 endgame. Think about it, in a 3vs1 we need 3 votes to lynch, thus all three villagers need to be in agreement, not just two villagers. With a higher villager to wolf ratio, there is an increased chance of a villager getting lynched. But this is all irrelevant because we can't change it, we face an awkward final day if we don't get this right in the next two lynches.

Gator's posts about lynching he or Aubrey are interesting. I still can't get all the implications, but right now i think that [Gator/Aubrey/Wufwugy] is where our final wolf is hiding.

I wish it were this simple. Unfortunately, from my pov, you need to be added to this group.

[bigred]

You know what's better than a drunk villager? A drunk villager who has been verified by the seer! Sooooooo many cute cat pictures to follow.

[bigred]

This is probably my last ww game for awhile as I have clearly lost interst but observe felllow friends, a haiku


A village periled
How will we save everyone
lynch that wufwugy

MORE HAIKU? OK

A lurker status
Post every now and then (every is 3)
Hoopy shows the way

[bigred]

Analyze the posts'
You're overthinking the game
Ong spam is the norm

New werewolf admins
Rilla and J K D S
Overdone night posts

And for the final shebang, the truth of my werewolf

If Bigred focused
His joking on wolf hunting
Game over day one

[bigred]

wow

even i am amazed by me

BRAVO SIR

[wufwugy]

bigred lobbin bombs like donkey kong wearing thong schlong throbbin all night long

[bigred]

More haiku? Fuck yes

Long wufwugy posts
Thousand words but no substance
Hi I'm Wufwugy

Gabe's thought expertise
Good luck living past day one
Must be a werewolf

Jymz werewolf facepalm
IM A FUCKING VILLAGER
Roid rage instalynch

[wufwugy]

Long wufwugy posts
Thousand words but no substance
Hi I'm Wufwugy

[bigred]

Even more...ok!

Noob posting this game
Goes overboard with content
The name is d0zer

Remember tactics
When werewolves had to blend in
Angel dies day one

[bigred]

Wufwugy insight
This game could be much better
I will mod someday

[bigred]

Wufwugy insight
This game could be much better
I will mod someday

Yeah, that's probably my best contribution to FTR

[wufwugy]

hey bigred
now is your time
your time to shine
to give the rundown
of what is and what isnt
then we do what you say
and village wins
then you will forever be known
as the villager we deserve
but not the one we need right now

[bigred]

Appeal to classics
Can't forget how this started
Let's lynch pelion