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 Originally Posted by daven
can you point us at specific wolfy posts, at the moment it seems likely that we're reading the same posts and drawing different conclusions from them. Or somehow blurring through relevant posts simply because it's hard to read this many posts without subconsciously skimming at least a little
Sure. I'm going to have to give brushstrokes though since it would be waaaaaay too much and too hard to link his posts. Anyways, here's the Hoopy overview from beginning of thread to end
- He points his fingers at a few players without much rationale. I stated at the time that this is not Hoopy's style
- He says he's not suspicious of Pascal, but then votes to lynch him early on the wagon
- He bolds DTB after me and JV and Gabe and everybody started switching from Jyms to DTB, then 10 minutes later, DTB outs as the Angel. Curiously, 10 minutes is probably about as long as it would have taken for DTB to type up his fake-outing post after he and Hoopy decided to do it then.
- After Pascal dies and shows wolf, Hoopy makes some big ass post about who did what, but it serves no wolf hunting purpose at all. This is pretty standard for wolves since they don't know how to hunt but try to appear to.
- A large portion of Hoopy's posts are basically: "I would like to hear what so n so has to say". Villagers do this occasionally, but wolves do it more often because they don't have much else to say.
- Hoopy is never suspicious of me at all. I don't know what this means, but it could mean that the wolves know that getting me on their side is super smart. It is also strange that he was never suspicious of me since a lot of others were.
- Now this is significant
Originally Posted by Hoopy
rescind jackvance
Sorry if you actually are the vig jack, I voted last night without putting much thought into it.
Previously, Hoopy had said several times that JV was his main wolf suspect. He bolded JV after I rallied to get JV high in the votes. He could explain why he bolded JV then because he says he was suspicious all along, but him saying "I voted last night without putting much thought into it" contradicts Hoopy's previous posts that he was suspicious of JV. JV was his very first bold of the entire game, too
- He then types up a list of everything Gizmo said, and just adds the "analysis"
Conclusion : Tough to say, probably leans villager based on analysis posts.
Which is just more worthless wolf-trying-to-be-helpful. Later in this post we'll find Hoopy thinks Gizmo is a good bold but also doesn't. It's strange.
- The DTB day stuff was strange for Hoopy because he did say that he doesn't think we should lynch anybody involved in the outings and the lookup claims, then he bolds bigred due to inactivity, then says a race should be between bikes and bigred, then after I am leading in votes and start rallying to kill DTB, he comes to my defense and bolds DTB saying that we all know DTB is wolf so we should get it over with, but then he asks those on bigred to consolidate onto DTB. This suggests two things: 1) the wolves were prepared to throw DTB under when the time came and/or 2) he's trying to get on my good side. It could also mean he's a villager and is just really convinced by my arguments too....
- Now onto the day Jyms is lynched: the only thing Hoopy says about Gizmo is that he just feels like a wolf. He bolds him early, and doesn't push for him or explain any rationale at all.
- He then puts Bikes in his villager list, then JV asks him why, and he says
Originally Posted by Hoopy
Mainly because he's not lurking, if I remember rightly he never posts much but some of reasoning is pretty good this game.
But this somewhat contradicts his earlier thoughts on Bikes being a problem due to low post activity, like when he wanted to do Bigred vs Bikes due to neither being that active.
- After Bikes is out as seer, all Hoopy has is "good lookups, wolf pool is smaller". This is not normal Hoopy behavior. As a villager, he does indeed provide analyses into other players, but so far in this game he has done nothing other than just comment on what has happened and stuff
- LOL Hoopy fucking rescinded Gizmo after Ong wants to make it Gizmo vs Aubrey even though he had no change in opinion whatsoever. Then lynches Jyms effectively turning Gizmo from tied with a few others at 2 to Jyms being in the lead
- Yet again, Hoopy comes to my rescue when it's Wuf vs Jyms with not much time left.
- LOL he suggests a Gizmo vs Jyms wagon, but that's weird because he rescinded Gizmo. Total wolf behavior. They love to talk a lot about how fellow wolves could be wolves, but when push comes to shove, they don't pull the trigger
- Then he says this after Gizmo is shot
As for me, it would be pretty sick for me to be a wolf considering I've gone after/voted for every member of the wolf team this game.
LOL nope! He didn't really do anything, and this is what he would like to say after his wolves die so that's why he said Gizmo was suspicious several times and bolded but then rescinded him once when the wagon was still less than 2. He never went after anybody. He's gone after nobody so far. He's only posted commentary and done no wolf hunting whatsoever. He earlier posted unimportant opinions on what Gizmo had said, but provides no conclusion other than "um dunno". This isn't "going after", but he says it is because he's a wolf and that's what wolves do.
- Yet again, Hoopy buddies up to me and goes for the Boog wagon. Maybe he's not buddying so much as he's just following whatever happens, and whatever happens has just coincidentally been me directing the course
- Yet again, Hoopy buddies up to me by making a great reason for why I can't be a wolf due to Gizmo cinching my impending doom
- He picks up his posting just a little after Boog dies. Standard action for low activity wolves in endgame
- Then after I come up with the "choose our final 4", he says he's okay with me dying before then and Gator is tough in the final. But he's been siding with me all game and has never said anything about me being a wolf. In fact, he previously made the best case for me being a villager, yet now he is okay with me dying? And he for the millionth time puts suspicions on Gator, but is wishy washy about it
- Then later he seems happy with me being in the final 4. Funny how this is after I said if that happens "it would be chaos".
- Finally, JV said several times that Hoopy needs to be at the top of the lynch order, and we all know he's better at finding wolves than anybody else left playing
So basically, we have skipped Hoopy waaaaaaaaaay too much. He hasn't actually done ANYTHING this game, he's done tons of really wolfish things, he's done no wolfhunting, just relatively meaningless commentary instead, and the JVP said he needs to die. I had been taking Ong's word for Hoopy having been so integral on wolves being caught that I didn't ever go back over his posts, but now that I have, I see that he wasn't integral in the slightest, Ong is just misremembering
I am now fully convinced and will side with the JVP
lynch Hoopy
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