jj vs tilted opp

[Zorkion]

Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 19.12, PFR: 16.18, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 69)
MP: 104.75 BB (VPIP: 23.91, PFR: 5.11, 3Bet Preflop: 5.66, Hands: 140)
CO: 49.25 BB (VPIP: 22.19, PFR: 13.70, 3Bet Preflop: 6.61, Hands: 367)
Hero (BTN): 238.5 BB
SB: 108.5 BB (VPIP: 27.31, PFR: 12.33, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 227)
BB: 189.25 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 13.46, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 52)
UTG: 77.75 BB (VPIP: 43.48, PFR: 26.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 71)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, SB raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 10 BB

Flop: (30 BB, 2 players) K J K
SB checks, Hero bets 19.75 BB, SB calls 19.75 BB

Turn: (69.5 BB, 2 players) 9
SB checks, Hero bets 75.75 BB, SB calls 75.75 BB and is all-in


like zomg guys, i have notes on this guy for once

"called terribad odds on turn with fd
tilt flop raise ai with bottom pair"

i normally dont make a habit of flatting 3bets from the blinds from a 3% 3bet opp, but my notes made me call his bet

also, I want to hear ideas on bet sizing. This is one of the first times ive tried the nefarious overbet.

[griffey24]

You have the board pretty owned, I would go three streets here to milk him and give him a chance to bluff shove, prob go 10bb, 23bb, shove river

[MadMojoMonkey]

Sizing is fine. PRE is questionable, but OK.

Well, this overbet is quite different, because it amounts to an all-in where any other bet would leave you with a laughable SPR.

[Cobra_1878]

Sizing is fine. PRE is questionable, but OK.

Well, this overbet is quite different, because it amounts to an all-in where any other bet would leave you with a laughable SPR.

How else would you play pre?

You have this board crushed, I would probably bet around 1/2 pot on flop and 2/3 PSB on the turn.

[Savy]

How else would you play pre?

You have this board crushed, I would probably bet around 1/2 pot on flop and 2/3 PSB on the turn.

His 3bet range rapes us. So fold?

[Cobra_1878]

I think we're doing OK against a range of TT+, AQs+, AKo. Add-in the fact villain could be squeezing, unlikely at 4NL but not impossible, and I think we can call here.

[Savy]

I think we're doing OK against a range of TT+, AQs+, AKo. Add-in the fact villain could be squeezing, unlikely at 4NL but not impossible, and I think we can call here.

3bet 2.7% over 227 hands.

Let's assume you're right though and that's his 3betting range, we have 45% equity and a hand that doesn't play that great postflop. Unless you can give me a valid reason in terms of our range needing JJ in that's different, at 4nl though we don't so can fold and not worry about it at all.

[Cobra_1878]

3bet 2.7% over 227 hands.

Let's assume you're right though and that's his 3betting range, we have 45% equity and a hand that doesn't play that great postflop. Unless you can give me a valid reason in terms of our range needing JJ in that's different, at 4nl though we don't so can fold and not worry about it at all.

Top 2.7% of hands is TT+ & AKs. 227 hands is quite a small sample in terms of 3bet%, so I think we can add in a couple more hands in villain's 3bet range. CO raise and BU call isn't exactly repping super strength so villain really doesn't have to be super strong here either.

Why does JJ not play well post-flop? We also have position as well.

OP - What is villain's cbet%?

[Savy]

His 3bet stat in 3bet pots is what is important, not his 3bet stat really. All his cbet stat would do is give us information whether he is very likely to cbet, and not tell us if he us very unlikely to cbet in a 3bet pot.

We dislike it when he cbets on a flop w/ any over card and we dislike it when he cbets when we don't hit an overpair. So we're basically set mining which I'm not saying is particularly bad if his postflop stats support the decision, in that he bets a lot post flop and can't fold overpairs etc.

It clearly depends on villain, and every villain who 3bets a small amount can't be treated the same.

I don't mind folding ever, and I think calling is ok some times too. But if folding never enters your mind here pre then I think that's something you should think about.

[Zorkion]

Top 2.7% of hands is TT+ & AKs. 227 hands is quite a small sample in terms of 3bet%, so I think we can add in a couple more hands in villain's 3bet range. CO raise and BU call isn't exactly repping super strength so villain really doesn't have to be super strong here either.

Why does JJ not play well post-flop? We also have position as well.

OP - What is villain's cbet%?

opps flop cbet is 25%, flop fold to bet is 54%. cbet in a 3b pot is 0% (over 2 hands). squeeze stat is 10% (2/21)

And yeah, i was considering folding given the 3b size, but given his tilt, i figured it gave me enough extra ev to call ip