Anti-Capitalist Sentiment (with some morality)

[OngBonga]

They answer to governments.

I strongly disagree with you here renton. I think it's the other way round. Governments answer to the central banks. That's why we're all in so much debt. The only nations that do not answer to the central banks are the ones we invade. And Iceland, who were on our terrosit list for a short time but I guess we realised that there would be literally no justification to invading Iceland.

Oil is incredibly abundant and cheap compared with the alternatives, that is why it is the prevalent source.

This is just wow. Why don't you try comparing UK or US energy prices with, say, Iceland? Iceland's energy comes almost exclusively from hydroelectic and geothermal, with 0.1% fossil fuels. We pay twice as much for energy, I'm not sure about you guys because the stats I found include gas for cars, which you're gonna get a lot cheaper than Iceland, plus it probablt varies across states. The vast majority of nations that are cheapr than Iceland are big gas and oil exporters.

Geothermal is much cheaper. Infrastructure would obviously be very expensive, but we're talking of a super high speed train between London and Birmingham and up North, because saving half an hour getting From London to Manchester is worth many billions of pounds apparently. We can afford to consider trains that go 150mph+ in a small nation, but we can't have clean renewable energy?

What are the maintenence costs of geothermal? Negligable when compared to drilling oil from the seabed.

Oil is not abundant, far from it. It is not renewable, we are using a lot more oil than the earth can create. Thus, it is scarce. Abundant means we are using less than can be made, at least when it comes to energy.

The prices of abundant resources quickly approach zero in a free market

You say this, but this supports my argument! Why would the powers that be want us to be using an abundant energy source that is virtually free? This is why we're still drilling oil! Because it's scarce, not abundant, and as such can be sold at a much higher price than alternatives.

[Renton]

This is just wow. Why don't you try comparing UK or US energy prices with, say, Iceland? Iceland's energy comes almost exclusively from hydroelectic and geothermal, with 0.1% fossil fuels. We pay twice as much for energy, I'm not sure about you guys because the stats I found include gas for cars, which you're gonna get a lot cheaper than Iceland, plus it probablt varies across states. The vast majority of nations that are cheapr than Iceland are big gas and oil exporters.

Geothermal is much cheaper. Infrastructure would obviously be very expensive, but we're talking of a super high speed train between London and Birmingham and up North, because saving half an hour getting From London to Manchester is worth many billions of pounds apparently. We can afford to consider trains that go 150mph+ in a small nation, but we can't have clean renewable energy?

What are the maintenence costs of geothermal? Negligable when compared to drilling oil from the seabed.

Oil is not abundant, far from it. It is not renewable, we are using a lot more oil than the earth can create. Thus, it is scarce. Abundant means we are using less than can be made, at least when it comes to energy.

I said abundant when compared with the alternatives. We're never gonna run out of oil, man. Naysayers keep saying that we're gonna run out of these finite amounts of oil, aluminum, iron, etc and we keep finding more. It just becomes more and more costly to extract. As this happens, other sources will begin being able to compete with oil. It's a problem that is solving itself.

Do you honestly think if geothermal were such a bang-on cheaper option that a large firm with billions from investors wouldn't emerge to start providing that to the world?

I also notice you citing the Zeitgeist movies rather a lot. I can't deny how persuasive and well put together those movies are, but fact checkers have torn them apart. The first movie believed in the 9/11 false flag conspiracy theory for crying out loud, now Peter Joseph shies away from that since a decent amount of people take him seriously as a person now. The resource-based economy espoused by Jacques Fresco is about as misguided and potentially malicious to peoples as the brutal controlled economies that were attempted during the 20th century.

[OngBonga]

If geothermal was what you said it was, Iceland would be exporting it like crazy and become the new Saudi Arabia.

We're never gonna run out of oil, man.

These two pearls of wisdom trump any of the nonsense I've spouted. Bravo.