Russians vs. Americans: A Werewolf Game for October 2015

[OngBonga]

yes, you need 2 wolves. TWO. you were talking about winning it solo while you still had 2 teammates. You didn't figure out that BooG would have been necessary until after he was dead.

Yup, that was a mistake indeed.

But had we got boog's fakeclaim right, he does indeed survive.

That's where we lost. Failing to crunch the numbers, fucking up the claim.

The rest of your critisism is purely a style thing, and I think you're gonna have more problems as wolf here at FTR than I am.

[Luco]

I feel like I need a long break before playing again

[ProbablynotAWolff]

at least no wolves fake claimed village poisoner in this game

[ProbablynotAWolff]

fun game,

good group of people,

maximum postgame rustlage

would play again

A++

[MadMojoMonkey]

fun game,

good group of people,

maximum postgame rustlage

would play again

A++

I know, right!?

[OngBonga]

I feel like I need a long break before playing again

Yeah I'm in no hurry.

[OngBonga]

Maybe next one for that phoney Christian festival that people go mad for.

[JKDS]

If we want a wolf win, lets just have no specials again. For some reason, the village just cant seem to function if they dont have a confirmed villa to ride behind (this game didnt have that for awhile, but I still guarantee people will still lose their minds)

Or...we can do something we havent done in awhile...and have an alpha wolf game.

[baudib]

Yup, that was a mistake indeed.

But had we got boog's fakeclaim right, he does indeed survive.

That's where we lost. Failing to crunch the numbers, fucking up the claim.

The rest of your critisism is purely a style thing, and I think you're gonna have more problems as wolf here at FTR than I am.

It's not "purely a style" thing. It's about you pissing away team equity in every post to give yourself a better shot at winning the "best looking wolf at F9" award.

You're going to have more problems as a villager because no one will trust you ever again.

[baudib]

Ong: remember the Hoopy slips three games ago that I was screaming about? No one else was talking about those things. Not every villager jumps on every wolf slip, and you certainly don't.

[OngBonga]

You're going to have more problems as a villager because no one will trust you ever again.

You'll still have problems as villager because of your insistence that you're right and everyone else is wrong.

This isn't poker, baudib. GTO does not apply to werewolf. In my opinion, looking like a villager is critical. You can have the best strategy in the world, but if you don't convince people you're a villager, you won't win. otoh, you can have a shit strategy, but if you have a wolf that is convincing the world he's a villager, you have a chance of winning. Our strategy was only just too shit. One mistake too many.

You're placing too much importance on strategy and not enough on image.

[gabe]

baudib, maybe on POG or places where the village isn't this strong, your methods will crush mine. But here, you're gonna need to put more of a focus on villager knees than anything else, if you want to win. The standard here is just too high. Wolves gotta up their game. That's what I tried to do here. Emphasis on looking like a villager. It nearly worked. The closest to a wolf win in some time.

respect for trying to up the wolf standard of play. thats what needs to happen

however, i find myself agreeing with baudib a lot here. you say you were 1 fakeclaim away from winning, but i think you guys were drawing dead. like drawing dead the entire game. the night gizmo lynch IMO was absurd, and if i was here to sort that out you would have been drawing even deader than what you actually were. which was dead

also i get your explanation for killing me (re: being an offnight for the seer). i didnt think about that and it gave you a little equity. but i disagree with the other stuff


ps. still waiting on den thread link

[gabe]

GTO does not apply to werewolf. In my opinion, looking like a villager is critical. You can have the best strategy in the world, but if you don't convince people you're a villager, you won't win. otoh, you can have a shit strategy, but if you have a wolf that is convincing the world he's a villager, you have a chance of winning. Our strategy was only just too shit. One mistake too many.

You're placing too much importance on strategy and not enough on image.

gto applies to any game and werewolf is a game. thats not saying you should try to play "GTO" but considering it is +ev

and having the best strategy in the world does result in winning. having a good image is just a facet of the strategy

strategy is of upmost importance. but part of the strategy is having a skill for posting like a villager which results in your image

[gabe]

also worth considering is that i always think i have the best strategy, and already twice this postgame ive realized i was wrong about stuff

what makes werewolf awesome is the level of freestyle that is required. giving away the den content will never limit the possibilities of what goes down in the game. werewolf has unlimited possibilities. hiding the den does not promote growth. speaking of which, imagine if any of us played WW against us in 2008

[BankItDrew]

Here's a lock read on me...

Take a look at who I'm killing. That's my team.

Yup to this and MMM. Now you're getting it!

[BankItDrew]

Hey everyone, I know drew is shouting I'm a wolf for no reason, I know rilla is doing fuck all and that's wolfy for him, I know aubrey heavily implied kami is a villager without actually saying so, but let's shoot JKDS.

Interesting strategy Cotton. Let's see if it works out for him.

[JKDS]

I don't want to face 2008 jkds. He was way better than me

[OngBonga]

Shush gabe, I'm just arguing with baudib for the sake of it.

I know he has valid points. Don't tell him I said that though.

[OngBonga]

I don't want to face 2008 jkds. He was way better than me

True story.

I once feared you. Now we nom tom in his first game here while not even considering you.

[gabe]

I don't want to face 2008 jkds. He was way better than me

he was usually a villager

[gabe]

Shush gabe, I'm just arguing with baudib for the sake of it.

I know he has valid points. Don't tell him I said that though.

right on

is there a real reason for me to think you were actually 1 fakeclaim away from winning this one?

ps the only evidence i had on you was that you were calling out BID. i think i said as much in some post, somewhere (but i was focusing more on wuf being the guy who was fakeattacking bid). im not sure if i ever would have voted for you though

[OngBonga]

gabe I don't think we were drawing dead until boog died. Even then, I had that one out in having beck peek wuf. I didn't throw in the towel earlier for a reason. I wasn't quite drawing dead.

If boog holds that claim, we bink the healer. That's how it was going to play out if boog survived. What beck does from there is anyone's guess, but if boog goes into next day planning to claim seer, with me deep, we're in great shape. You nailed it when you said a seer could take that line, and we didn't anticipate that. Had we done so, I think that's a critical difference to how it shapes up.

I think people are placing too much importance on this bussing line. I don't make lynches happen. All I can do is go with the flow. I reacted to events as they unfolded. The events were suboptimal for me, not the reactions. That's how I see it, anyway.

I'm happy because posting in villager tone is where I usually struggle as wolf, so I have renewed confidence.

[OngBonga]

I think if I have one fault, which I don't, it's that I default into "epic" mode.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I think if I have one fault, which I don't, it's that I default into "epic" mode.

[wufwugy]

if i had known gabe was the backup i would have gotten myself lynched d1.

my vig strategy is the simplest on the planet. im not particularly good at soulreading, but i am good at organizing. so if you want me to vig wolves, you're gonna be left unhappy, but if you want me to chip at the edges of the wolves ability to hide and defend themselves, i'll do that.

i dont like seer cover. im not convinced one way or the other yet, but my feeling is that faking soft claims to help specials causes just as many problems (or more) as nobody softing anything. some examples have been listed. another is that the last time baud was a wolf the way i figured him out was due to the type of softing he did not being the kind he does as vanilla. it could be that my preference is just projection since i personally play better when i act like a wolfy vanillager. it's a good way of getting to f3/f4 .

[wufwugy]

Great game, village. I was buried from the word go. Really strong performance.

Hence, keep the Den private.

We should also delete old games.

I simply ask for an FTR where wolves aren't unmasked and undressed after every game. Where they can scheme and plot without concern for a future audience. Where the mystery that surrounds their actions endures.

Let the wolves be wolves.

wow. so i was going to point this out as an argument against keeping the den private since i doubt people would be okay with deleting old threads. it is the logically consistent principle of it. so you are being logically consistent.

that said, i dont think you're correct about a private den helping the wolves mentally. there is an additional element of unfairness to keeping the dens private since the other wolves and mods got to see the stuff you said yet everybody else doesn't. by the time we get to keeping it private or deleting game threads afterwards, we get into some weird legal situations where people will be talking about old games and behaviors yet not legally allowed to do so. the game would become a mess.

The whole design of the game is being tricked by the wolves. Keeping Den threads private may help them without upsetting the balance of actual games.

tbh i do not think this is the issue. our wolf culture is lazy and unstrategic. we lack "try-hard" a lot of the time and we are very un-poker-like in our tactics i.e. we do very little of the "you see that thing he wants us to do, do the opposite" thing. many of the times wolves have not had these two problems, they've often crushed. a private den is unlikely to change this.

It should be this way for every game. If one wolf wants it to stay private, it should.

it should not. the game would suffer quite a lot from special treatment like this. not only would it give a sense of unfairness and discontinuity all around, but it gives individuals special knowledge in future games. this goes against the rules of the game. gabe's points are also correct.

[BankItDrew]

Everyones first D2 post should read: "I peeked _________ and they are a _________."

[BankItDrew]

Myself and the other wolves have an advantage going into the next game.

[wufwugy]

I'm pretty scarred by this game. The possibility of being W/W with Ong or V/V with Wuf makes me not want to play ever again.

i dont get it. i would think you would love the way i played this. it is a bad idea for specials to get full cleared by the village and look like voices of reason. the place you want to be as a special is sorta agitating the village enough that they kinda wanna lynch you but not agitating enough that they actually do it. this counters the wolves by keeping them from wanting to nom you since doing so would be a pretty big risk on their part.

My admissions: I seethed all game. I wanted to type in all caps: HEY GUYS HOW ABOUT WE KILL A VILLAGER

I secretly wanted to find a way to modkill Wuf but that would have hurt the wolves too much.

i really do not get your problem with me.

do what gabe and luco and others have done: learn to read me. i know you dont wanna hear it but there is a noticeable correlation between me not being a villager and the wolves winning. the fact that people like you think im bad is one of my biggest strengths. so maybe i should keep my mouth shut about it. but it's annoying.

Possibly. That would have required Ong being able to make cases on people he hadn't made cases on all game and continuing to post well. That's a big assumption.

i'm not going to wade in on this too much, but you are correct here. everything changes at f5 and then changes again at f3. virtually every time the wolves won those (at least on ftr), it came through their endgame construction i.e. keeping the "wrong" villagers alive (untethered, inactive ones, etc). and when the village wins it generally does not matter at all how good the wolf had played before since the endgame construction turned out in favor of the village and the wolf suddenly lost all his wiggle room that he may have had at every point up till then.

that said, im not saying i disagree with ong's strategy. had they strongly bussed rilla and aubrey then strongly attacked villagers, they probably could have won.

This village isn't that strong, it had Wufwugy.

how about you just fuck off? you, somebody whose team constantly loses, continually calls me, somebody whose team usually wins, a bad player. get a fucking clue.

you once described me as "playing bad and getting there". the irony is that if it's actually true that i "get there", it can't also be true that i "play bad". im not a magician who can defy probability like you seem to think.

[wufwugy]

so what do we do about this impasse we're at here? do we irritate our longest playing vet and possibly disincentivize him from playing some time down the road by keeping the thread hidden, or do we keep another vet happy by keeping it hidden?

this is the problem. this is a friendly game. everybody is here to experience a little bit of unique types of pleasure and friendship that are not possible elsewhere. a hidden wolf thread is like if a few of your core group of friends irl openly kept petty secrets from the others. these friendships do not last.

i think maybe we can maintain this forum's culture by keeping this particular thread private but establish a rule that future ones will not be. that's the best compromise i can think of.

[OngBonga]

If wolves were talking on skype, would you want skype logs?

How about any private messages that might have been sent?

[OngBonga]

Wolf dens being public are a luxury that has been afforded since we brought QT to our games. It never used to be this way.

[a500lbgorilla]

I kind of agree with the wolf den stance (not quite so with the past game but meh). In the past I have given my fellow wolves an insight into my strategy as a wolf. When everyone gets to see and reference this it diminishes my ability in the future as everyone has a hard reference. I liken it to a final table reviewing everyone's tells after a poker tournament. It may help the person get rid of a tell but it also takes the game more to a standard game by losing a great bit of uncertainty. I hope that makes some sense.

Absolutely.

[a500lbgorilla]

Wolf dens being public are a luxury that has been afforded since we brought QT to our games. It never used to be this way.

Solid memory.

[a500lbgorilla]

that said, i dont think you're correct about a private den helping the wolves mentally. there is an additional element of unfairness to keeping the dens private since the other wolves and mods got to see the stuff you said yet everybody else doesn't. by the time we get to keeping it private or deleting game threads afterwards, we get into some weird legal situations where people will be talking about old games and behaviors yet not legally allowed to do so. the game would become a mess.

You can talk about old games. You can lie about old games. There would be no problem.

tbh i do not think this is the issue. our wolf culture is lazy and unstrategic. we lack "try-hard" a lot of the time and we are very un-poker-like in our tactics i.e. we do very little of the "you see that thing he wants us to do, do the opposite" thing. many of the times wolves have not had these two problems, they've often crushed. a private den is unlikely to change this.

Gator responds to this nicely and I'm on the exact same wavelength.

it should not. the game would suffer quite a lot from special treatment like this. not only would it give a sense of unfairness and discontinuity all around, but it gives individuals special knowledge in future games. this goes against the rules of the game. gabe's points are also correct.

You all misunderstand the purpose of the Den thread. The treatment is far from special.

[OngBonga]

I don't see how anyone has special treatment either, when any wolf has the power of veto. That applies to everyone, not just rilla.

[wufwugy]

If wolves were talking on skype, would you want skype logs?

How about any private messages that might have been sent?

in theory yes. back when we used those, we didnt think of it, partly because it's not that easy to do.

however, the reason why all game communication needs to be public is because a fundamental rule to maintain the integrity of the game itself is that all text used to play each game is revealed to all. as well as it is against the rules to discuss non-game stuff in-game, which necessarily means that if wolf chat was hidden, in future games some players would have special information that they cannot legally share.

additionally, the purpose of a separate wolf thread is so that the game itself can function for the obvious reason that if the wolves communicate with means that the villagers can see, there wouldnt be a game in the first place. this means that the wolf thread is a piece of the game itself, subject to the same rules that underlay the game itself. after the game is over, each game thread is an artifact in the ww museum. the wolf threads are artifacts of the same game; therefore they should go in the museum.

using things like private messages and not revealing them is a good way to gentrify the player base. gabe made this point. if we want to split up the group, one of the things we would do is put in policies that, well, literally split the group (only wolves get to see the wolf thread, etc).

[a500lbgorilla]

also worth considering is that i always think i have the best strategy, and already twice this postgame ive realized i was wrong about stuff

what makes werewolf awesome is the level of freestyle that is required. giving away the den content will never limit the possibilities of what goes down in the game. werewolf has unlimited possibilities. hiding the den does not promote growth. speaking of which, imagine if any of us played WW against us in 2008

It promotes the health of the game by promoting the health of the wolves. Healthy wolves demand healthy villagers and healthy gameplay will attract new and interesting players. FTR and its playstyle will become unique across the web. #hiddenden2015

I'm asking you to make the difficult decision today, gabe, for a better werewolf play tomorrow. Please consider it.

[a500lbgorilla]

in theory yes. back when we used those, we didnt think of it, partly because it's not that easy to do.

however, the reason why all game communication needs to be public is because a fundamental rule to maintain the integrity of the game itself is that all text used to play each game is revealed to all. as well as it is against the rules to discuss non-game stuff in-game, which necessarily means that if wolf chat was hidden, in future games some players would have special information that they cannot legally share.

additionally, the purpose of a separate wolf thread is so that the game itself can function for the obvious reason that if the wolves communicate with means that the villagers can see, there wouldnt be a game in the first place. this means that the wolf thread is a piece of the game itself, subject to the same rules that underlay the game itself. after the game is over, each game thread is an artifact in the ww museum. the wolf threads are artifacts of the same game; therefore they should go in the museum.

using things like private messages and not revealing them is a good way to gentrify the player base. gabe made this point. if we want to split up the group, one of the things we would do is put in policies that, well, literally split the group (only wolves get to see the wolf thread, etc).

oh shit, my bad. Just show me where in the rulebook this is written so I can shutup.

[OngBonga]

fwiw at mafiascum, they usually wait for consent of wolves before publishing.

[wufwugy]

Gator responds to this nicely and I'm on the exact same wavelength.

You all misunderstand the purpose of the Den thread. The treatment is far from special.

as prop joe would say, you're thinkin short when you should be thinkin long. the problem of special treatment affects future games, not the current game itself.

i love gator but i dont think the point is valid. how many people know your strategy from this game? five others? this means that in future games, you only have a hidden strategy to players who aren't those five. but guess what, if one of those five think you're doing something he knows about from the den, he's going to tell everybody, and you're going to get lynched EASIER than you did before because nobody will be able to assess how true his claim is. also as more games are played, we'd end up with a more split and less dynamic group. we would say things like "well ong has been wolf with boog 3 times and i never have so i guess i'll just follow the leader and bold boog". this is not healthy for the game.

i dont think gator has been negatively affected at all by people reading his wolf den stuff. the reason he gets lynched a lot is because of how good he's played as a wolf. the great paranoia of gator came before we even used quicktopic in the first place.

you can choose to think i have a sound point on this or not: i do not think your wolfing issues stem from people being able to read what you say in the den.. you do not have strategic problems, you have tactical problems. your issues are all in the game thread behavior stuff. in fact i think that if you were to focus more on strategy and wolf thread stuff, it would hurt your wolf game even more by detracting from what you can do in the game thread.

[wufwugy]

oh shit, my bad. Just show me where in the rulebook this is written so I can shutup.

i never said there is a rule that said that. it's a logical transition from the rules we already have

[a500lbgorilla]

It's not special treatment wuf. You said it yourself. The purpose of the Den is to support the game - not the postgame - not the museum.

[a500lbgorilla]

i never said there is a rule that said that. it's a logical transition from the rules we already have

They're just things that we do, not rules.

[wufwugy]

fwiw at mafiascum, they usually wait for consent of wolves before publishing.

im unconvinced ms has as strong of a culture as we do. at least everything i hear is how everybody who plays here prefers to play here. i think the level of fairness and openness we have is part of that.

[wufwugy]

It's not special treatment wuf. You said it yourself. The purpose of the Den is to support the game - not the postgame - not the museum.

well yes if we decided that all game threads were also to be deleted, then the point would be appropriate.

[wufwugy]

They're just things that we do, not rules.

unwritten rules. people get permabanned for breaking them.

[wufwugy]

actually most of them are written somewhere. the stickies are so so so old

[Keith]

Well played Ong,didn't really have you down as a wolf casually reading along with this game and i think that you are correct in saying that to wolf succesfully at FTR you have to appear a villager , however baudib is also correct in saying that your early cover only goes so far, when you get down to f5 and f3 all things get reconsidered and bussing cover alone doesn't necesarily get you over the finish line.

As for wolf den thread availability , i think gator and rilla are overplaying the damage to their future wolf games. Back before wolf threads were available , people would still refer to how others had played as wolves in previous games so the info they want to protect still got out just at a slower rate and perhaps in a more generalized way.Pretty sure that the game that Gabe,Gator,BID and i won as wolves we said that the dead thread could have access to the wolf thread as the game was in progress(is it the only game that BID has won and still been alive as a wolf at the end?).

[a500lbgorilla]

Well played Ong,didn't really have you down as a wolf casually reading along with this game and i think that you are correct in saying that to wolf succesfully at FTR you have to appear a villager , however baudib is also correct in saying that your early cover only goes so far, when you get down to f5 and f3 all things get reconsidered and bussing cover alone doesn't necesarily get you over the finish line.

As for wolf den thread availability , i think gator and rilla are overplaying the damage to their future wolf games. Back before wolf threads were available , people would still refer to how others had played as wolves in previous games so the info they want to protect still got out just at a slower rate and perhaps in a more generalized way.Pretty sure that the game that Gabe,Gator,BID and i won as wolves we said that the dead thread could have access to the wolf thread as the game was in progress(is it the only game that BID has won and still been alive as a wolf at the end?).

I think there's a difference between someone's memory and the hard artifact. I don't want your wolf game to be sacred, I simply want to inject some uncertainty into the world.

[a500lbgorilla]

fun game,

good group of people,

maximum postgame rustlage

would play again

A++

:thumb:

Hope you poggers swing by again.

[a500lbgorilla]

I'll play. Hopefully Baudib plays and not mod. Even though his modding was awesome and very batmesque

Something wrong with that boy...

[TheBrokenATM]

If wolbes want den private I say give it to them.
We crushed them, nothing we will learn from it. Take the win and be happy, no need to put tem to shame

[TheBrokenATM]

Something wrong with that boy...

AIDS

[BankItDrew]

In the sign-up thread, the only time baudib mentions QuickTopic is:

so i didn't see any ww forum specific rules, anything i might need to know other than the usual?

We use QuickTopic for wolf chat and dead threads. Generally everyone likes to read through the entire wolf den after games end.

[wufwugy]

I think there's a difference between someone's memory and the hard artifact. I don't want your wolf game to be sacred, I simply want to inject some uncertainty into the world.

the stuff we "learn" from these things end up being wrong more often than not.

the goal is enjoyment and cohesion.

[a500lbgorilla]

In the sign-up thread, the only time baudib mentions QuickTopic is:

Do you think I'm lying when I say I lobbied baud before the game to keep the den thread private?

[a500lbgorilla]

the stuff we "learn" from these things end up being wrong more often than not.

the goal is enjoyment and cohesion.

It's great that we enjoy this aspect of FTR, but it's definitely pro villager play.

[a500lbgorilla]

The wolves need help. We've blown them to Kingdom-Come time and again. And I don't want that help to come artificially through game designs like no-specials or extra wolves. I want it to come from giving the wolves time and space and incentive to trick what is clearly a numerous core of capable villagers. Let's find out what it takes to beat ourselves all over again.

And I'm hearing that we shouldn't help the wolves because the community isn't strong enough for it, or post-game decompression is too enjoyable right now to worry about it and I think that's wrong.

[BankItDrew]

Do you think I'm lying when I say I lobbied baud before the game to keep the den thread private?

Nope. I believe you.

I just don't believe the final decision was made before the game started. Please prove me otherwise.

[a500lbgorilla]

Go into the den thread.

[BankItDrew]

Do you believe that if one wolf wishes their den posts to not be shared, that it shouldn't be?

What about my rights as a villager? I don't want them shared with new players.

[OngBonga]

lol read the den drew

[BankItDrew]

Go into the den thread.

BEFORE THE GAME STARTED

It should have been public knowledge prior to the game starting.

[BankItDrew]

lol read the den drew

Lol re-read my post

[OngBonga]

Do you believe that if one wolf wishes their den posts to not be shared, that it shouldn't be?

What about my rights as a villager? I don't want them shared with new players.

I also support your right to be a cunt and drop the link anyway. But I'd say you were a cunt for it.

[BankItDrew]

It's a joke that baudib tells beck that one of the interesting things about our game is that we share the wolf den and dead threads.

Then, privately amongst the mod and some of the wolves, plans change.

[a500lbgorilla]

BEFORE THE GAME STARTED

It should have been public knowledge prior to the game starting.

Well that's not how it happened. It happened this way instead.

[wufwugy]

It's great that we enjoy this aspect of FTR, but it's definitely pro villager play.

it isn't.

here's an example: take why baud thinks im so terrible. he has opinions of me where he thinks my thoughts and behavior are set in stone. but they're not. i use the perception of me against my opposing team all the damn time and it pays off extravagantly. when people have information about you, you use that against them. keeping as much hidden as we can will just hurt the game in the long run. gabe was absolutely right about that.

besides, i doubt we gain much strategically from reading wolf threads. i dont even read them (just skim). the dead thread is much more interesting to me personally.

also if you're afraid of people listening to you, don't worry, nobody does. for years ive been telling wolves that they need to nom me n1 regularly if they want a good shot of winning, but they never do it. my image of awfulness is just too strong.

[BankItDrew]

I also support your right to be a cunt and drop the link anyway. But I'd say you were a cunt for it.

Not providing the link based on the opinion of some, is being a cunt.

[OngBonga]

Sorry I'm being a cunt

[OngBonga]

Also, not some wolves. A wolf.

[a500lbgorilla]

Not providing the link based on the opinion of some, is being a cunt.

Why's that?

[wufwugy]

The wolves need help. We've blown them to Kingdom-Come time and again. And I don't want that help to come artificially through game designs like no-specials or extra wolves. I want it to come from giving the wolves time and space and incentive to trick what is clearly a numerous core of capable villagers. Let's find out what it takes to beat ourselves all over again.

And I'm hearing that we shouldn't help the wolves because the community isn't strong enough for it, or post-game decompression is too enjoyable right now to worry about it and I think that's wrong.

yes htey need help. this will not help them. let me be blunt here, as i have been in the past. i think you could be one of the most powerful wolves on the forum, but i think the strategy you're using is totally wrong. you need to get out of the den and into the game thread. you need to have no strategy whatsoever. your desire for strategy is part of what has kept you from tactically crushing.

the day rillawolf spends his time pointing fingers at people for whatever reason he can and follows it up to the point that he is not insignificant part in the deaths of some people he pointed the finger at is the day that rillawolf cruises to victory.

[a500lbgorilla]

I don't just want this to improve my wolf game. I want to improve the wolf game against me as well. I'd love to be completely turned around by a wolf team like I have been in the past.