Polygamist Werewolf

[gabe]

wuf, i wasnt trying to make a case for how much i went back and forth on boog. i just saw you use the fact i never reconsidered boog against me, so i pointed how where i did

ong, i agree with your potential reads on yourself

you two are dragging down a villager

[gabe]

ong you are really being yourself this game

i want to press whichever pair exists in [rascal ong gator rilla]

i guess you guys can go ahead and out your partners now...

[Hoopy]

How many pairs do we have now, 3/6?

Lets get the rest out in the open and evaluate things.

JKDS can we get a count and time left?

[a500lbgorilla]

My partner's Gator.

[OngBonga]

Fine. Mine's aubrey, so that's wuf and rascal?

[OngBonga]

So we have

monkey/drew
boog/hoopy
gabe/keith
rilla/gator
rascal/wuf
ong/aubrey

I think had it not been for boog's early move, this would be simple.

[a500lbgorilla]

So, The KBGH, whose up in your sights?

[lilrascal]

Ok, so now that you know wuf is my partner. How does that help us solve the game?

I still think we lynch the wolfier players and that IMO is gabe followed by boog.

[lilrascal]

Rilla and Ong would be my top two villas after me and Wuf.

[lilrascal]

So, The KBGH, whose up in your sights?

This took me a minute. KBGH = Keith/Boog/Gabe/Hoopy I assume.

[lilrascal]

So we have

monkey/drew
boog/hoopy
gabe/keith
rilla/gator
rascal/wuf
ong/aubrey

I think had it not been for boog's early move, this would be simple.

The highlighted is where I stand on reading individuals, by extension their partner gets villa points too. I can't see the wolves being in the bottom three in the list.

I'm neutral on monkey/drew, but even if there wolves, lynching their partners wins this, so gabe today and if that's wrong, then boog tomorrow.

Lynch gabe

[OngBonga]

monkey/drew - monkey crumbed drew early, has disappeared. drew is in and out, he's coming across as villager to me. I don't think the wolves would be so quick to out their buddy, simply because there's four of them and they have options on their pairs depending on which looks best for them. I didn't want to point this out before, but this is what I was getting at with holding back. There's more scope for them to trip over when deciding which one to claim as partner. I think monkey/drew is village.

boog/hoopy - very little evidence of villager. The only thing in their favour is boog swinging for gabe, and gabe looks bad to me. But maybe boog did do that, or maybe I'm wrong about gabe. I think boog/hoopy is wolf.

gabe/keith - gabe's energy is a good sign, but I've not had a good feeling from him throughout. I feel like he's been trying to control the village, and him voting for me for disagreeing with him was not very village motivated. keith has had very little to say, but I haven't much liked his input either. Possibly because he's busy, or possibly because he's a wolf. I think gabe/keith is wolf.

rilla/gator - rilla's entrance felt good. Removing his obviously-not-buddy wuf first was indicative of someone thinking more than they are letting on know. It seemed villagery. gator has felt good too, and if rilla got paired up with gator as w/w, I can see rilla really making a go of this. rilla has not been trying to run the show, which I feel he would as wolf in this format buddied to gator. village.

rascal/wuf - this would be my weakest village read. Both make me nervouse, and both town reads are based on tone and pretty much by being on the same page as me. But they could be wolves who see me on the wrong path and taking advantage. I can see them being wolves, but more likely village.

So yeah, I'm thinking boog hoopy gabe keith, but boog's push at gabe has me thinking that I'm wrong somewhere. But I doubt very much I'm wrong on both pairs, so I'm happy to slay my way though them until we win/lose.

[wufwugy]

The highlighted is where I stand on reading individuals, by extension their partner gets villa points too. I can't see the wolves being in the bottom three in the list.

I'm neutral on monkey/drew, but even if there wolves, lynching their partners wins this, so gabe today and if that's wrong, then boog tomorrow.

Lynch gabe

ditto

[lilrascal]

Ong, you've gone in more detail, but your reads look pretty much like mine.

The one pair you don't mention is Ong/Aubrey. I have you pretty much as a villa here as I see your thought processes coming from a villa perspective. I need to reread Aubrey, this game. I've only played one game with her and I can't get a read from her on that.

[OngBonga]

I think the boog/hoopy pair is wolfier than gabe/keith.

lynch boog

[lilrascal]

ditto

[Hoopy]

monkey/drew
boog/hoopy
gabe/keith
rilla/gator
rascal/wuf
ong/aubrey

Nice this improves our ability to find wolves quite a bit.

[OngBonga]

Ong, you've gone in more detail, but your reads look pretty much like mine.

The one pair you don't mention is Ong/Aubrey. I have you pretty much as a villa here as I see your thought processes coming from a villa perspective. I need to reread Aubrey, this game. I've only played one game with her and I can't get a read from her on that.

Oh sorry...

ong/aubrey - village, 100% confirmed from my pov

[wufwugy]

im comfortable enough on gabe that we won't hit d2

[Hoopy]

So, The KBGH, whose up in your sights?

You/Gator, wuf/rascal.

[OngBonga]

Bitch I'm curvy not fat!

I think SMF is a villager based on his white text shenanigans. A wolf wouldn't be so against the grain and deceptive in a way that gets attention. Particularly with the wolves having no margin for error.

You seem like a villager.

I want to know why aubrey is so sure gabe is villa.

further evidence that hoopy/boog is not paired to gabe/keith

I'm thinking it's boog/hoopy and wuf/rascal

[Hoopy]

SMF & BID, got any thoughts you'd like to share?

[OngBonga]

You/Gator, wuf/rascal.

Sick crosspost

[OngBonga]

Lynch Wuf

This vote for a non poster and follow on posts just make no sense.

lol what the fuck is this? I would say this looks villagery, like a raction test and an attempt to fuck with the wolves.

idk, made me laugh though.

[OngBonga]

I'm still lynching Gabe here.

Lynch Gabe

Yeah gabe and boog are not wolfbros.

[wufwugy]

further evidence that hoopy/boog is not paired to gabe/keith

I'm thinking it's boog/hoopy and wuf/rascal

do you really think that the wolves are going to completely avoid any sort of finger pointing at each other? that would get so easy to spot. given that boog is one of your wolf picks, you have to know that boog himself thinks this.

im the opposite, i think the wolves will be acutely aware that they can't fall into a trap of only putting suspicion on those other than themselves. that strategy could probably get them through d1 but would get blown wide open on d2

[lilrascal]

I think the boog/hoopy pair is wolfier than gabe/keith.

lynch boog

further evidence that hoopy/boog is not paired to gabe/keith

I'm thinking it's boog/hoopy and wuf/rascal

I don't see how this makes gabe/keith not paired with boog/happy.

[wufwugy]

lol what the fuck is this? I would say this looks villagery, like a raction test and an attempt to fuck with the wolves.

idk, made me laugh though.

i know i was like THAT BITCH

[OngBonga]

I'm not against that, and I think Wuf/gabe wagons would be great.

lol again

ok I think what's going on here is the wolves had not paired themselves up yet. The other two wolves have jumped the gun, and forced wuf and rascal into pairing.

I think this looks really bad for rascal/wuf

[wufwugy]

Yeah gabe and boog are not wolfbros.

the "lynch gabe" comes from the guy who said "wolves should know better than to only protect each other"

[lilrascal]

I think the boog/hoopy pair is wolfier than gabe/keith.

lynch boog

lol what the fuck is this? I would say this looks villagery, like a raction test and an attempt to fuck with the wolves.

idk, made me laugh though.

I don't know if I've ever gone a game where I didn't bold wuf. Didn't want to start with this one.

[lilrascal]

Damn MQ's.

[OngBonga]

if this was a game of logic, keith rascal and bid would be wolves

the last thing my rilla bold is is wolfy. the first thing you guys are for not seeing why it's not wolfy is wolfy.

ive got all three of rilla bid rascal wolves at like 10%. pretty damn high for all three imo

Here's wuf putting rascal in his wolf pile.

This is horseshit. Wolves hadn't got their shit together by this stage.

gabe, this is PRECSIELY why I wanted to wait to claim.

[OngBonga]

lynch wuf/rascal

[wufwugy]

lol again

ok I think what's going on here is the wolves had not paired themselves up yet. The other two wolves have jumped the gun, and forced wuf and rascal into pairing.

I think this looks really bad for rascal/wuf

lol

i figured out that rascal was fishing. i fished too. notice that gabe bit

[OngBonga]

That's only the first two pages. I need food, back in an hour or two.

[Hoopy]

Ok, so now that you know wuf is my partner. How does that help us solve the game?

I still think we lynch the wolfier players and that IMO is gabe followed by boog.

Now every villager has only 5 possible choices which should make things easier.

I'm surprised you think gabe is a wolf.

[lilrascal]

lynch wuf/rascal

Ong, I think you're a villa that just got it wrong. In this game, reaction tests is one thing that I think we have to work with, so I went with it to see where it would take us.

You'll also notice that I rescinded my vote fairly early on.

[lilrascal]

Now every villager has only 5 possible choices which should make things easier.

I'm surprised you think gabe is a wolf.

Why would I not think gabe is a wolf? He's tried to fabricate cases on a couple of people.

[wufwugy]

ong, listen to yourself. you're saying that rascal and i are both wolves who are not paired together. this would mean that the wolves we would really be paired with are "paired" to two different villagers, both villagers of whom would know that they're paired to the one person, which means their partners are paired to people on their partners.

[wufwugy]

*wrong, not "one".

[wufwugy]

*not, not "on"

[BankItDrew]

No, a CFD is where we all panic at deadline. I didn't say anything about that. Why are you twisting my words here?

What I'm saying is that those who look like they might get lynched will claim in good time. Check out hoopy, he could see boog was in trouble, he claimed in good time. Noone is getting lynched blind.

1) What you described was a CFD

2) Will claim in good time? This should read as "I hope anyone on the block will claim in good time. I hope no one is lynched blind."

[wufwugy]

Also, this game is really, really difficult for wolves because it forces hard defending. Wolves can't get away with letting any wolves die so you just find out a cluster of wolves hard defending each other and there it is.

going back to this boog line, i dont think he would say it as a villager. if he's a villager, he would know that saying it would negate some of its power, wouldn't he?

[BankItDrew]

CFD isn't a disaster here anyway. Why do we CFD? Because of specials, or more usually, wolves pretending to be specials. That isn't happening here. We only divert if the partner is too strong a villager read. Thehn if we CFD, the worst case scenario is we lynch someone else who was also a strong villager read.

I feel like if what you described was not CFD, you wouldn't have made this post.

[Hoopy]

Why would I not think gabe is a wolf? He's tried to fabricate cases on a couple of people.

I haven't seen him fabricate cases.

[BankItDrew]

SMF & BID, got any thoughts you'd like to share?

Working on it.

For one, I think it's a good idea that we outted.

[wufwugy]

I haven't seen him fabricate cases.

if da hoopman aint a wolf, gabe's a jedi, having convinced da hoopman that rascal's a wolf because of a freudian slip that doesnt look anything like a freudian slip

[OngBonga]

ong, listen to yourself. you're saying that rascal and i are both wolves who are not paired together. this would mean that the wolves we would really be paired with are "paired" to two different villagers, both villagers of whom would know that they're paired to the one person, which means their partners are paired to people on their partners.

There's four wolves. I'm assuming here that the wolves are a group of four, and not two pairs. Thus, they need to pick their own pairs for the claim. Thus, you and rascal look bad for casting shade on one another when you should me mutually confirmed villagers.

[BooG690]

this post means that boog's wolf hunting strategy is to find those who are defending each other. if you believe this and you are a wolf, it means that it is naturally logical for you to NOT fall into that category. boog is showing us his thoughts here and they tell us that if he is a wolf he would attack a fellow wolf

You honestly think that, as a wolf, I would be OK sharing my thoughts like that? I'm pretty careful about what I post as a wolf, you know that better than most.

[BooG690]

rescind rascal

rereading, really digging a gabe boog keith hoopy team.

consider this line by boog. if he's a wolf, this means that he knows that he should probably attack a fellow wolf early



also consider how easily and staunchly gabe defended boog. boog is lock v in gabe's mind, but his reasoning for why is about as loose as it gets.

why do you ever have Rascal bolded?

[OngBonga]

I like Ong's answer better for taking a stance.

Wuf, you're second wagon right now and you're OK with that?

This is super weird dynamic between a villager pair. This isn't long after rascal takes his vote of wuf, and he's moaning at someone who is confirmed as same alignment for a not very convincing response to a question?

The interactions between rascal and wuf are super strange. I think I nailed it that the wolves simply failed to immediately nominate a partner and have made slips.

[BankItDrew]

{Wufwugy BID Lilrascal Keith Gabe Ongbonga Rilla Hoopy Boog Supermonkeyface aubrey Gator}
{Wufwugy BID Lilrascal Keith Gabe Ongbonga Rilla Hoopy Supermonkeyface aubrey Gator}
{Wufwugy BID Lilrascal Keith Gabe Ongbonga Rilla Supermonkeyface aubrey Gator}
{Wufwugy BID Lilrascal Keith Ongbonga Rilla Supermonkeyface aubrey Gator}
{Wufwugy Lilrascal Keith Ongbonga Rilla Supermonkeyface aubrey Gator}
{Wufwugy Lilrascal Keith Ongbonga Rilla aubrey Gator}
{Wufwugy Lilrascal Ongbonga Rilla Gator}
{Wufwugy Lilrascal Rilla Gator}

So we have

monkey/drew
boog/hoopy
gabe/keith
rilla/gator
rascal/wuf
ong/aubrey

I kind of assumed that if I knew the pairs, that a couple of my suspicions would have fallen onto a villagery player.

Take ong/aubrey for example. At first, my read was that ong was a villager. Then, ongs reveal strat made no sense to me, so I suspected him. I figured aubrey for a villager from the start. So now I'm back to a villager ong.

I agree 100% with gabes reveal strat so I'm nowhere convinced of him as a wolf as a few others here are.

I was supicious of rascal, but I always am, as mentioned earlier. OTOH, I thought wuf was a villager. I have rascal in my wolf pile mainly because of his bad claim strat.

I have zero read on rilla and gator. Fucking hilar because I always say every game that those two I never have a read on. JKDS usually falls in that category too.

Anyways, I like Hoopys list and boog hasn't stood out much since the start of the day. Even then...

rescind
lynch rascal/wuf

Rascal is a wolf 75% of the time solo
Wuf is a wolf maybe 40% of the time solo

Obv together they are the exact same % but I'm just trying to illustrate that I'm less convinced by wuf than I am of rascal.

[BankItDrew]

why do you ever have Rascal bolded?

I forgot about that.

Good point.

[BooG690]

going back to this boog line, i dont think he would say it as a villager. if he's a villager, he would know that saying it would negate some of its power, wouldn't he?

Let's not go back to me. The light is shining on you right now. Don't play nonchalant. You and Rascal playing against each other is indicative of foul play. Way to FPS your way out of any chance of winning, imo.

Lynch Wuf

[BankItDrew]

This is super weird dynamic between a villager pair. This isn't long after rascal takes his vote of wuf, and he's moaning at someone who is confirmed as same alignment for a not very convincing response to a question?

The interactions between rascal and wuf are super strange. I think I nailed it that the wolves simply failed to immediately nominate a partner and have made slips.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and agree 100% with you on this one.

[wufwugy]

You honestly think that, as a wolf, I would be OK sharing my thoughts like that? I'm pretty careful about what I post as a wolf, you know that better than most.

absolutely because your thoughts are a misdirection. you're saying "hey guys this is how to catch wolves we should look over there see that over there". meanwhile it gives you the opportunity to do the exact opposite. by itself, this is not a wolf case for you. im trying to demonstrate to ong where his logic that you and gabe cant be wolves together falls apart

[JKDS]

Busy atm, but votes for pairs do not count. You must vote a single person

Also, about 22hrs remain

[BooG690]

absolutely because your thoughts are a misdirection. you're saying "hey guys this is how to catch wolves we should look over there see that over there". meanwhile it gives you the opportunity to do the exact opposite. by itself, this is not a wolf case for you. im trying to demonstrate to ong where his logic that you and gabe cant be wolves together falls apart

Yeah, no. Let's talk about why you had Rascal bolded.

[wufwugy]

There's four wolves. I'm assuming here that the wolves are a group of four, and not two pairs. Thus, they need to pick their own pairs for the claim. Thus, you and rascal look bad for casting shade on one another when you should me mutually confirmed villagers.

you haven't thought this through.

if you are correct that rascal and i have been forced into claiming each other, it necessarily means that there are two villagers claimed to wolves, which necessarily means there are two more villagers claimed to villagers not their partners.

[OngBonga]

well whatever. im so bored i dont care

my list is boog keith hoopy rascal.

rascal is just giving me vibes.

cmon guys, this is not v-v stuff. This is clearly beyond reaction baiting and levelling with the wolves. As far as wuf and rascal are concerned, they're each fair game for one another. Not once have I felt the urge to throw shit at aubrey.

rascal and wuf have been caught imo. I think their buddies are boog/hoopy.

[gabe]

how do the wolves botch that ?

Ong I'll give you credit for waiting because it did perfectly trap them. I'm surprised they would make such a basic mistake though. Although wuf did try to tell us this was a good strategy (for wolves to attack wolves)

But you gotta give freud credit where it's due

[wufwugy]

I'm gonna have to go ahead and agree 100% with you on this one.

like ong, you need to think this through. ong's logic cannot be correct. it isn't that it is unlikely to be correct, but that it literally cannot be correct, logistically.

[BooG690]

you haven't thought this through.

if you are correct that rascal and i have been forced into claiming each other, it necessarily means that there are two villagers claimed to wolves, which necessarily means there are two more villagers claimed to villagers not their partners.

Wrong. There's a four-way wolf pairing. It was up to you guys to formulate pairs first thing in the den. You didn't. You failed. You lose.

[OngBonga]

Let's not go back to me. The light is shining on you right now. Don't play nonchalant. You and Rascal playing against each other is indicative of foul play. Way to FPS your way out of any chance of winning, imo.

Lynch Wuf

sick crosspost.

I don't fucking know now. I just hate rascal and wuf's interactions.

[wufwugy]

Yeah, no. Let's talk about why you had Rascal bolded.

like i said, fishing. both gabe and hoopy bit.

it's bad villaging if you think that we should not have been bolding our partners at least some of the time.

[BooG690]

I'm assuming Rilla/Gator here as the rest of the wolves.

[wufwugy]

Wrong. There's a four-way wolf pairing. It was up to you guys to formulate pairs first thing in the den. You didn't. You failed. You lose.

incorrect. if that were true, there could be no forcing like ong says.

[OngBonga]

you haven't thought this through.

if you are correct that rascal and i have been forced into claiming each other, it necessarily means that there are two villagers claimed to wolves, which necessarily means there are two more villagers claimed to villagers not their partners.

Stop pretending to be stupid. I'm arguing the other two wolves claimed before you figured out that you and rascal don't look like partners. Not in any world am I suggesting wolves are buddied to villagers.

[BooG690]

incorrect. if that were true, there could be no forcing like ong says.

There would be no forcing? What?

[BankItDrew]

like ong, you need to think this through. ong's logic cannot be correct. it isn't that it is unlikely to be correct, but that it literally cannot be correct, logistically.

Logistically? Or logically?

WUF'S A WOLF!

[wufwugy]

Stop pretending to be stupid. I'm arguing the other two wolves claimed before you figured out that you and rascal don't look like partners. Not in any world am I suggesting wolves are buddied to villagers.

that's anything other than incredibly idiotic how?

[BooG690]

like i said, fishing. both gabe and hoopy bit.

it's bad villaging if you think that we should not have been bolding our partners at least some of the time.

Why is it bad villaging? I'm excited to read this pile of horseshit.

[OngBonga]

I'm assuming Rilla/Gator here as the rest of the wolves.

I'm thinking this seems most likely if it's not you/hoopy. But I'm still glancing through the thread.

[wufwugy]

listen i have no problems with you guys killing us. the game has been solved. it's rather clearly gabe boog hoopy keith. get the d2 win if you'd like