**** Elections thread *****

[surviva316]

I see we've entered the quibbling phase of our dialog.

Maybe. I'm really not about to debate the "technically correct" definition of a made-up word though.

TIL "fake" is a made-up word. I'd been using it for years, decades even. I didn't realize how ahead of my time I was.

But I do know that there are technically correct definitions of the words "started" and "now". And on that, we completely disagree.

I was talking about when the abuse of the phrase "fake news" started. I think it's fair to say this started sometime around late October/early November: https://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=fake%20news.

I wasn't talking about when various levels of gaps in credibility started. That probably started sometime around when hominids developed language to the point they could started telling tales about sleeping with hot cave bitches. Maybe it's just me, but I think it's pretty clear that that's not what I was talking about.

Again, if we're going with technically correct definitions of words, "pernicious" is not apt. A 'pernicious' media bias has existed for as long as I can remember.

Again (for the ~basquillionth time), I'm talking about the abuse of the phrase "fake news." As in the entire fucking topic of this conversation. This has always been what I've been talking about. You have been the only one going into asides about the days of yore of when media bias first came about.

If you want to 'speak out against it', wouldn't it be better then to put the onus on the actual media.

Those aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, I've spent this entire conversation saying that CNN "sucks runny shit water" while also criticizing how people abuse the phrase "fake news."

Hold them accountable for what they print and say? Maybe challenge them to fix their own mess, rather than cast them as the victim?

They should be held accountable for what they print and say. You and I and wuf and Infowars should all be calling CNN out on their shit. But we should be accurate in how we critique them.

Not really. It's 2017. If you use the n-word, jokingly or otherwise, you deserve whatever criticism you get.

Not sure you're following the analogy. Using the n-word is wrong and deserves criticism, just like spinning news stories is wrong. Using the n-word (jokingly or otherwise) doesn't automatically make you a capital-R-Racist that should be used as a scarlet letter against you and delegitimize absolutely everything about your personhood, just like being biased doesn't automatically make you "fake news" that is sewn onto your organization and delegitimizes absolute every news item you ever print.