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  1. #1
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    27/9 over 30k hands is poor. You're probably calling vs raises too much, not 3betting enough, and/or limping too much.

    This hand here, you have AK, you raise, get calls, flop misses, you're asking to cbet or not. Don't, you got 3 callers, including two apparently solid players, plus a fish, someone is likely to call a cbet. I'm assuming you know this already, hence the lack of bet. This is a pretty simple hand, there's not much to learn here. If you're struggling to get away from AK when it misses, then sure, post these hands. Doesn't look like you have a problem in this regard.

    You need to improve your pre flop range, and how you play it. Rather than posting hands that are no brainers pre flop (ie raise AK) post hands where you can potentially justify all three options... fold, call, raise. That's where you're going to get better discussions, with perhaps conflicting opinions.
    First of all, that you for your analysis. But I think you are a little premature to reprimand me for posting frivolous posts. I am new to the site and have posted close to 10 HH's already. If you read those, you will see that is not my intent. I am working on SpoonItNow's course. I stated with CB's, so a few threads back, I began posting the hand in 2 portions; PF to flop and then the rest of the hand. So keeping along those established lines, I posted thread this up to the flop first as usual. If I had posted the whole thing outright, it is possible that the complete hand may have unintentionally changed views on the flop action. What I really want is opinions the rest of the hand. Place for value-bet the river and anything else that someone thinks not frivolous. Give me a change please. I try not ton aggravate. Only asking for help.
  2. #2
    Quote Originally Posted by Mcash2 View Post
    First of all, that you for your analysis. But I think you are a little premature to reprimand me for posting frivolous posts. I am new to the site and have posted close to 10 HH's already. If you read those, you will see that is not my intent. I am working on SpoonItNow's course. I stated with CB's, so a few threads back, I began posting the hand in 2 portions; PF to flop and then the rest of the hand. So keeping along those established lines, I posted thread this up to the flop first as usual. If I had posted the whole thing outright, it is possible that the complete hand may have unintentionally changed views on the flop action. What I really want is opinions the rest of the hand. Place for value-bet the river and anything else that someone thinks not frivolous. Give me a change please. I try not ton aggravate. Only asking for help.
    Having an 80% c-bet at 2nl isn't a problem, it might not be optimal but it's not going to be bad. ESPECIALLY when you're only raising 9% of hands, your holdings on the flop are going to be strong by default because you open such a tight range. Which is why sorting your pre-flop ranges out so they aren't awful (which they are) is much more important. Then your c-bet will naturally drop because you'll have more weaker hands on flops that you won't want to bet.

    Two birds, one stone.

    It's really important to realise that our pre-flop ranges dictate so much what we are doing. Not only do the effect all our other decisions but because we make those decisions most often the amount we win/lose as a result is huge. Which brings us to another important point that plugging your biggest leaks (your pre-flop ranges) is more important than plugging smaller leakes (your c-bet%)

    You're also letting stats dictate to you what you're doing which is completely the wrong way to go about it. Stats may point to a problem but if someone tells you x is good and you're doing y making arbitrary decisions to get closer to x is really bad instead look at your game and analyse why you're at y.
    Last edited by Savy; 06-23-2017 at 07:31 AM.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by Savy View Post
    Having an 80% c-bet at 2nl isn't a problem, it might not be optimal but it's not going to be bad. ESPECIALLY when you're only raising 9% of hands, your holdings on the flop are going to be strong by default because you open such a tight range. Which is why sorting your pre-flop ranges out so they aren't awful (which they are) is much more important. Then your c-bet will naturally drop because you'll have more weaker hands on flops that you won't want to bet.
    Makes sense Savy. Obviously if I'm only raising nit hands, then surely I'm likely to CB more frequently with those hands, and skew my CB stats upward. I'm finding it hard to raise from UTG with things like AJs, ATs, and KJs. I have lost big hands the past with them being dominated. But that just goes to show that I also have some big post-flop leaks that need shoring. I am going to play those type hands that I fear, and play them very conservatively at first. Honestly. Starting now.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Mcash2 View Post
    First of all, that you for your analysis. But I think you are a little premature to reprimand me for posting frivolous posts. I am new to the site and have posted close to 10 HH's already. If you read those, you will see that is not my intent. I am working on SpoonItNow's course. I stated with CB's, so a few threads back, I began posting the hand in 2 portions; PF to flop and then the rest of the hand. So keeping along those established lines, I posted thread this up to the flop first as usual. If I had posted the whole thing outright, it is possible that the complete hand may have unintentionally changed views on the flop action. What I really want is opinions the rest of the hand. Place for value-bet the river and anything else that someone thinks not frivolous. Give me a change please. I try not ton aggravate. Only asking for help.
    I didn't intend to reprimand you, I'm just trying to help you. You can post what you like, it's just it seems to me you have problems pre flop. I think it's better for you to focus primarily on your pre flop range, when you've done that then you'll probably find post flop decision to be easier and more natural. That's just my opinion and you're welcome to disregard it all you like.

    But please don't assume that if someone has critisism and/or advice, that it's a reprimand. I'm just another guy here, with my own opinion. That I'm a mod means nothing, I'm not telling you what to do or giving you a bollocking for posting hands I don't think are useful, I'm just sharing my thoughts.
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  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I didn't intend to reprimand you, I'm just trying to help you. You can post what you like, it's just it seems to me you have problems pre flop. I think it's better for you to focus primarily on your pre flop range, when you've done that then you'll probably find post flop decision to be easier and more natural. That's just my opinion and you're welcome to disregard it all you like.

    But please don't assume that if someone has critisism and/or advice, that it's a reprimand. I'm just another guy here, with my own opinion. That I'm a mod means nothing, I'm not telling you what to do or giving you a bollocking for posting hands I don't think are useful, I'm just sharing my thoughts.
    I agree with your PF assessment and am currently adjusting. Sorry for getting bent out of shape; a little high-strung. Must realize though, if I'm supposed to be focusing on CB hands in my training, then with so little actions to that point in hand, a ton of discussion might not be gleaned. But that action decides how the rest of the hand plays out, which everyone then focuses on, and helps me to understand why checking or CBing in a specific hand is optimal and standard sometimes. I have actually found you very helpful and insightful in the threads where you responded.

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