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    Iranians love western culture. They wear blue jeans and have garage punk bands.

    Iran is a terrible country to go to war with. We could win the hearts and minds of the Iranian people so easy.

    We have a fair number of Iranian physics graduate students here at Wash U. So many that they hold a Nowruz festival every year and throw a traditional Persian new years party for us.
    The party has an open invite to the whole campus. It's a great event.
    I've heard it's one of the biggest inter-depertmental celebrations on campus.


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    Vietnam has McDonalds and Baskin Robins in downtown Hanoi. Hard to say America lost a culture war against the Soviets, which is exactly what the Vietnam conflict was about.

    Korea more of a mixed bag. S. Korea, at least, is another example of a place that is a very strong ally with the US. As far as cultural victories go, S. Korea goes to the US.
    Hard to argue that N. Korea went to the Soviets, too. N. Korea isn't really supported by the Russians so much as the Russians don't want to deal with the fallout of refugees that is expected to happen if/when N. Korea joins the international communities.
    Besides, Korean war gave us M*A*S*H, which put Alan Alda in the spotlight which 100% made the world a better place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Vietnam has McDonalds and Baskin Robins in downtown Hanoi. Hard to say America lost a culture war against the Soviets, which is exactly what the Vietnam conflict was about.
    I think ideology was the key issue in that war. Don't think you won that aspect since the whole country went commie. But for that matter, so what? The concern at the time was that communism would spread throughout SE Asia. Didn't happen.

    Yeah, and not sure any Vietnam vet would appreciate someone saying you won the culture war, thus implying it was worth their sacrifice. Was the war itself a necessary condition leading to BR and MacDs getting franchises in Hanoi? Kinda doubt that.



    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Besides, Korean war gave us M*A*S*H, which put Alan Alda in the spotlight which 100% made the world a better place.
    Totally worth it just for Hawkeye

    That war was a draw. But, it was partly predicated on the same 'domino effect' idea as Vietnam, like communism was this virus that was going to spread all over the world. Not an outlandish idea in the 1950s, but didn't really turn out to be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Iranians love western culture. They wear blue jeans and have garage punk bands.

    Iran is a terrible country to go to war with. We could win the hearts and minds of the Iranian people so easy.

    We have a fair number of Iranian physics graduate students here at Wash U. So many that they hold a Nowruz festival every year and throw a traditional Persian new years party for us.
    The party has an open invite to the whole campus. It's a great event.
    I've heard it's one of the biggest inter-depertmental celebrations on campus.


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    Vietnam has McDonalds and Baskin Robins in downtown Hanoi. Hard to say America lost a culture war against the Soviets, which is exactly what the Vietnam conflict was about.

    Korea more of a mixed bag. S. Korea, at least, is another example of a place that is a very strong ally with the US. As far as cultural victories go, S. Korea goes to the US.
    Hard to argue that N. Korea went to the Soviets, too. N. Korea isn't really supported by the Russians so much as the Russians don't want to deal with the fallout of refugees that is expected to happen if/when N. Korea joins the international communities.
    Besides, Korean war gave us M*A*S*H, which put Alan Alda in the spotlight which 100% made the world a better place.
    The war in Vietnam nowadays is about coffee, with Starbucks losing to Highlands mainly due to price and not assessing the local market properly
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