Also, I should point out (I think I did in the split thread), I'm not anti-hoarding. I think there is a point (we're far from it) where we're in a true state of scarcity that can't be compensated for (think, shit really hits the fan, and we end up in failed state.) In this case there's a moral prerogative to hoard, because now it's a zero sum game and you're going to be playing against some less moral, immoral, and amoral actors.

btw: even if we never agree, MMM, this is a fun exercise, you're certainly making me consider things I hadn't fully explored.