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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I think you're all reading me say one thing, then extrapolating it out like we're talking about someone hoarding water.

    We're talking about a lady buying a non-essential good, and another lady getting all in the first lady's face about literally nothing at all.

    We're not talking about someone hoarding respirators, or other life-saving goods.

    We're talking about 2 people behaving badly, and I'm simply saying that there is no moral high-ground for the camera lady to stand on.

    This is a mole-hill at best, and the white-knighting surrounding it like as though we're talking about war rationing is absurd hyperbole.

    Again, empty TP shelves means people will visit multiple stores unnecessarily, thereby working against flattening the curve. There is a cost to this. I don't think I've seen you interact with this idea. What gives?
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Again, empty TP shelves means people will visit multiple stores unnecessarily, thereby working against flattening the curve. There is a cost to this. I don't think I've seen you interact with this idea. What gives?
    That's a weak argument, and I'm not taking the bait.

    You could argue that by hoarding now, she wont have to leave later when social distancing is really needed.
    Then we're back to the assertion that it's not her moral right to act in her best interests as she sees fit.
    Again... it's TP.

    If you want to change the topic to ventilators or something with immediate life and death consequences, then my opinions change.
    So long as we're talking about some people hoarding TP, which is in fact in plentiful supply, then I really don't care what people do.

    Publicly shaming someone over such trivialities is probably not what's best for society as a whole, IMO.
    That ends us living in a world where it's illegal to have a no pants party, and no one wants that world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    That's a weak argument, and I'm not taking the bait.

    You could argue that by hoarding now, she wont have to leave later when social distancing is really needed.
    Then we're back to the assertion that it's not her moral right to act in her best interests as she sees fit.
    Again... it's TP.
    It's not a weak argument, but I think you haven't actually grasped it. There is enough TP to go around, there just isn't enough at the point of retail for everyone to hoard it. It's a quirk of the supply chain. So each time a shopper strikes out and goes to another store in search, that's an added trip. She's potentially causing 20 added trips, by avoiding maybe two or three trips tops.

    Further, social distancing is really needed yesterday, not tomorrow or the next day. The earlier you social distance, the flatter the curve. At a certain point (hopefully far from where we are), social distancing actually doesn't work at all, because there are too many infected, and therefore too many vectors of transmission. At that point, our minimum level of social activity is enough for the virus to rip through the population.

    If you want to change the topic to ventilators or something with immediate life and death consequences, then my opinions change.
    So long as we're talking about some people hoarding TP, which is in fact in plentiful supply, then I really don't care what people do.
    It's not in plentiful supply at the point of sale. So when it's hoarded, well, see above. Also, "immediate life and death consequences" is a very strange stipulation. Knowingly being infected and walking around coughing on people doesn't have immediate life and death consequences. The difference here is that she could be completely ignorant of the mechanics, and so shaming helps to dissuade her and/or others from committing to this anti social behavior.

    Publicly shaming someone over such trivialities is probably not what's best for society as a whole, IMO.
    That ends us living in a world where it's illegal to have a no pants party, and no one wants that world.
    It's not trivial. It's causing increased spread of the virus. Spring breakers should be shamed too. There's nothing trivial about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    It's not trivial. It's causing increased spread of the virus.
    Yeah I don't get the argument that it's trivial. Like Boost said, if she causes a bunch of other people to go around searching for tp, she's contributing to the spread.


    Quote Originally Posted by boost View Post
    Spring breakers should be shamed too.
    Yup. I've seen people on twitter comparing their strategies for making it look like they're doing 'essential' shopping, like by adding some staple foods to their basket full of snacks and mix for booze. Is that really worth risking everyone's lives for? Have some fucking self-control, cunts.

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