Something I should say more often

[CoccoBill]

Why isn't excessive use of fatal force by the police, especially towards only a certain minority, an issue in many/most other countries? Maybe there's something to learn in there somewhere.

[OngBonga]

Why isn't excessive use of fatal force by the police, especially towards only a certain minority, an issue in many/most other countries? Maybe there's something to learn in there somewhere.

I guess because many other countries aren't as systematically racist as USA?

Another question might be... why does it take racism in USA to cause a global movement? Why not the countless other examples of racism that goes on around the world? Why is American racism more important?

[Poopadoop]

I guess because many other countries aren't as systematically racist as USA?

Another question might be... why does it take racism in USA to cause a global movement? Why not the countless other examples of racism that goes on around the world? Why is American racism more important?

I think a few things happened to create the perfect shitstorm here.

1. The pandemic causes a lot of angst that is giving people a lot of pent up frustration. It also means a lot of people aren't working and/or haven't been out of the house in weeks, and this is a good excuse to go out. Not saying those are the main reasons they're protesting in such large numbers, but theyr'e contributing factors.

2. There were incidents that occurred in the US leading up to Floyd's murder. Not just a few years back, but more recently with a couple of those Karen videos.

3. This was a particularly stark, brutal and deliberate murder. It wasn't a cop panicking and shooting someone in two seconds, it was a cop taking his time and killing someone over several minutes, knowing he was being filmed doing it, while other cops watched and did nothing, knowing they were being filmed doing nothing. You can sort of excuse someone being scared and shooting someone else (sort of), but this guy was in no danger and had a lot of time to consider his options. And so did his fellow cops. So, this was completely indefensible.

Add 1 ,2, and 3 together and it all kicked off. I think 1) is probably the predominant reason for the demonstrations outside the US though. I'm sure these people believe they're in the right, but if it were 'normal' times I doubt we'd have this worldwide thing going on. Could be wrong though.

[OngBonga]

They all go before a jury in the US afaik. Someone else might know more about this than I.

If they already go up before a jury, then what's happening? The jury is being hand picked? How do you fix that?

I'm sure some of them are, but there's plenty of video evidence that shows that's not their first response, including at the protests themselves. That suggests to me it isn't being given a high enough priority in their training, if any.

Just because they use force in some cases as a first response, that doesn't mean they are not trained to deescalate. The balance clearly isn't right, but I'd be amazed if they actually omit this aspect of the training.

It'd be a pretty damned good start though.

Well again we're probably going to see it happen. I can't see how this guy dodges jail.

[CoccoBill]

I guess because many other countries aren't as systematically racist as USA?

Why aren't they though, what makes them less racist? You've said that the US system is no good and there's no point trying to fix it, what are those things?

Another question might be... why does it take racism in USA to cause a global movement? Why not the countless other examples of racism that goes on around the world? Why is American racism more important?

My personal opinion, probably because it's so overt and egregious in the states, and in a huge contrast to how the US wants to be seen in the world, as a beacon of freedom and individual rights.

[Poopadoop]

https://world.wng.org/2018/03/camden...M8Eg0kWDIjYNHo

[oskar]

Another question might be... why does it take racism in USA to cause a global movement? Why not the countless other examples of racism that goes on around the world? Why is American racism more important?

I gave it a go with Wuf, and I'll try again, but I want you to know, and I have to add that because this doesn't always come across in writing: I am being really condescending right now.

Have you noticed how when people gather behind a cause like "save the pandas" there really aren't any people saying "but why don't you save other bears" because if you then go to: "ok, let's save pandas and grizzly bears" then someone will inevitably come back with "well what about brown bears" and someone else will be like "Grizzly's ate my face!"
You are simultaneously entering a slippery slope and losing people for the main cause you are actually fighting for.