Gun Debate (Lukie wants the kingest of nats to chime in)

[wufwugy]

Well, now the force of your facts fails you. The second amendment was a check on the United State government in its design and I still believe it to be today. You can disagree, but I'm willing to bet it would be useful in the right scenarios (but again this is predicting the future, which I am incredibly bad at). And it doesn't matter who says it just as it doesn't matter who says evolution is real.

That's the theory. Which has been shown to be much more likely wrong than right.

But I'll still give you the win for this exchange, as I also feel that even though I stand in a lesser intellectual position, I wield the force of dumber men - that is the weakness of democracy. The second amendment won't budge any time soon.

What weakness of democracy, and how is it that the democratic process required to put the 2nd remedies into action doesn't apply to this weakness?


People can scream until they're blue in the face about how their guns are protecting them from the state or the corporations, but until there's evidence to actually back that up.... The evidence has been gathered for a very long time, and it doesn't support their position

[a500lbgorilla]

That's the theory. Which has been shown to be much more likely wrong than right.



What weakness of democracy, and how is it that the democratic process required to put the 2nd remedies into action doesn't apply to this weakness?


People can scream until they're blue in the face about how their guns are protecting them from the state or the corporations, but until there's evidence to actually back that up.... The evidence has been gathered for a very long time, and it doesn't support their position

Neither of us are Ph.Ds in any of this, so I'm going to call your bluff. Please share with me the full weight of your "theory" which states the removal of the 2nd amendment would provide a greater check on the gov't. Also, it'd be cool to hear why the 2nd amendment was not a check on the gov't.

And people can scream until they're blue in the face because I'm not. I respect guns, I own guns, and I respect the 2nd amendment for what it was and is. You seem to think that you have all the facts which show a better world on the other side of 2nd amendment repeal and I have to say I'm confident that you can't back it up. I am willing to devote a lot of time to any resources you present to me on this subject because going in to this exchange I was very willing to be exorcised of these beliefs but I just don't think you can back up your arguments. And when I change my mind, I want it to be on firm ground.