Polygamist Werewolf

[BooG690]

No, I think we have the 4 wolves exactly in gabe/keith and boog/hoopy.

If hoopy was a villager here, then the game would be locked from his perspective and he'd vote gabe here. Instead the wolves are trying to come up with a plan to get out of this.

Hell, I'll vote gabe but we're 100% not voting hoopy and I tomorrow, right? If we lose this game, I may quit WW.

[lilrascal]

Boog, read my post #667 and replace hoopy's name with yours.

Let's vote gabe today and if he doesn't flip wolf, then vote me tomorrow.

[BooG690]

Boog, read my post #667 and replace hoopy's name with yours.

Let's vote gabe today and if he doesn't flip wolf, then vote me tomorrow.

You honestly think I'm gonna take orders from a wolf here? I'll wait for Ong to bark orders. Also, I think it's best we at least wait for gabe to wake up before sending him to the grave.

[OngBonga]

Hell, I'll vote gabe but we're 100% not voting hoopy and I tomorrow, right? If we lose this game, I may quit WW.

If we lynch boog and he flips village, I'm lynching one of wuf rascal rilla gator.

[OngBonga]

*If we lynch gabe

[BooG690]

Also, for the record, it's funny how Wuf has so much to write after Gator and Rascal are back. How is everyone buying this bullshit story?

[Hoopy]

No, I think we have the 4 wolves exactly in gabe/keith and boog/hoopy.

If hoopy was a villager here, then the game would be locked from his perspective and he'd vote gabe here. Instead the wolves are trying to come up with a plan to get out of this.

I am a villager rascal, how you think this game is locked in that scenario from my perspective is some seriously dodgy reasoning.

Odds are that you're simply a wolf.

[OngBonga]

Even though boog/hoopy are wolfier (they're posting more), I prefer to lynch from gabe/keith because that eliminates the small possibility of drew/monkey/gabe/keith while actually aiming for the more likely group of gabe/keith/boog/hoopy

[BooG690]

BID? Hoopy? Aubrey? BID's partner? I want to hear it from everyone. I'm not losing this fucking game.

[OngBonga]

Hell, I'll vote gabe but we're 100% not voting hoopy and I tomorrow, right? If we lose this game, I may quit WW.

Don't just vote him. Hold back and then hammer him.

[lilrascal]

Also, for the record, it's funny how Wuf has so much to write after Gator and Rascal are back. How is everyone buying this bullshit story?

Boog, if you're villa, then this game is locked for you. If gabe doesn't flip wolf, then lynch me.

You're reluctance to vote him makes me very confident that you're a wolfbro with gabe.

[lilrascal]

You're reluctance to *not* vote him

[OngBonga]

Your

[BooG690]

Ong, logically, how do you think I would stay on gabe after this whole thing? Are you really surprised I'm pushing Wuf/Rascal here?

[lilrascal]

I am a villager rascal, how you think this game is locked in that scenario from my perspective is some seriously dodgy reasoning.

Odds are that you're simply a wolf.

Go read my post #617, followed up with gator's agreement in #618.

Also, go look at the analysis that Ong has done with regards to how this evolved if you want to get an independent perspective.

[BooG690]

Boog, if you're villa, then this game is locked for you. If gabe doesn't flip wolf, then lynch me.

You're reluctance to vote him makes me very confident that you're a wolfbro with gabe.

It's locked if I get agreement from BID et al that they'll vote you and your squad tomorrow. Now shush and give them time to reply.

[lilrascal]

Your

LOL. You're right it should be your.

[OngBonga]

Ong, logically, how do you think I would stay on gabe after this whole thing? Are you really surprised I'm pushing Wuf/Rascal here?

Let me try and put myself in boog's village shoes here.

Hi, I'm boog, I'm a villager, and so is hoopy.

I thin gabe is wolfy. lynch gabe.

Yup, still lynching gabe.

*claims*

*shit hits fan*

*gator informs us rilla was playing a gambit*

***interlude***

Now, one of two things is happening...
a) gator is a wolf who is desperately trying to find an explanation for the wolves' poor strategy,
b) rilla is a villager who was playing a gambit.

Hi, I'm boog and (b) never happens.

Now, let's be me again.

Hi I'm ong, I'm a villager, and I can see merit in both of these outcomes. Thus, I want to lynch from both groups to win.

[OngBonga]

LOL. You're right it should be your.

I let it go once because it can be a typo, but twice is ignorance!

[BooG690]

I think the chances of wolves scheming this as their 'plan' from the start is more likely than the chances of a villager doing this. I'm not saying it's impossible of rilla but I think it's highly improbable.

I bet if we lynch one of these guys the game is over and a berating of the wolves begins.

This.

An outlandish plan like this isn't telepathically concocted by villagers. There NEEDS to be planning. There NEEDS to be talking about it. The fact that Wuf did not out his "true" partner today after getting a ton of heat from me and Ong is telling. Why keep going with it at that point? He got all that information he fished for, right? Why wait for Gator to truly out? Again, the way things played out with Gator coming in to save the day is not something that happens as a a villager.

[OngBonga]

But wuf was brushing me off, saying shit like "you'll see" and "I want you to figure it out".

He was toying with me, knowing that I'd have something to think about shortly.

[BooG690]

Let me try and put myself in boog's village shoes here.

Hi, I'm boog, I'm a villager, and so is hoopy.

I thin gabe is wolfy. lynch gabe.

Yup, still lynching gabe.

*claims*

*shit hits fan*

*gator informs us rilla was playing a gambit*

***interlude***

Now, one of two things is happening...
a) gator is a wolf who is desperately trying to find an explanation for the wolves' poor strategy,
b) rilla is a villager who was playing a gambit.

Hi, I'm boog and (b) never happens.

Now, let's be me again.

Hi I'm ong, I'm a villager, and I can see merit in both of these outcomes. Thus, I want to lynch from both groups to win.

Right. I'm boog and B never happens. Again, how did you ever really think I stay on gabe here? This is really a discussion for post-game but I'm really curious if there's any logic in that head of yours.

Anywho, I need to work with you here and will be lynching gabe tonight. Now, in that part of your brain where I'm a villager, don't you think we should wait for BID et al to agree to vote from the, um, group of telepathic geniuses?

[lilrascal]

I let it go once because it can be a typo, but twice is ignorance!

[BooG690]

But wuf was brushing me off, saying shit like "you'll see" and "I want you to figure it out".

He was toying with me, knowing that I'd have something to think about shortly.

Why didn't he tell you right there? Why wait? What does he gain from waiting? Nothing as a villager. Time to plan in the den as a wolf.

Also, Ong, so I can berate you post-game, what are your percentages here? What percent of the time are the telepathic geniuses wolves? And our little group?

[OngBonga]

This isn't really about you staying on gabe or not boog, it's more that you've totally abandoned that read, rather than considering the merits of both. You're fixed onto one group, and not trying to figure out if there's a possibility of gabe/keith being wolves with anyone else.

I understand there is obvious wolf motivation for what happened. But there is also village motivation for it too. If you and hoopy are villagers, then you should be considering the possibility that you're wrong.

Because I'm a villager, and I see the merits of both (a) and (b). Why don't you and hoopy see the merits of both? Why aren't you more open minded?

[BooG690]

You also seem to be of the mindset that rascal and wuf were faking. Actually it was rilla who was faking, and wuf and rascal let it go until gator showed up. Wuf's comments at me during this time are consistent with that mindset.

We knew it was Rilla who started this. If you remember, I blamed him for this wolf failure. That doesn't change anything. We had Rascal and Wuf independently deciding to trust Rilla. They needed to trust that a) he was villager and b) he knew what he was doing. Also, Wuf was involved. There's a >80% chance he fucks the whole thing up as a villager.

[BooG690]

Ong, if Gabe is a wolf here, who is he partnered with from my POV? BID? You and Aubrey?

[OngBonga]

You want percentages?

51-49 in favour of boog/hoopy/gabe/keith vs wuf/rascal/rilla/gator

[OngBonga]

Ong, if Gabe is a wolf here, who is he partnered with from my POV? BID? You and Aubrey?

That's two potential pairs. Or you might be concerned that there's only one wolf pair in the other group. You're not even thinking about this, you are fixated on wuf and co.

[OngBonga]

Well, actually I'm never a wolf here with gabe because I'm really puishing for gabe here.

But monkey/drew could be.

[BooG690]

That's two potential pairs. Or you might be concerned that there's only one wolf pair in the other group. You're not even thinking about this, you are fixated on wuf and co.

Oh God, this is like the time where I fucked with you with some bullshit story about how I wasn't a wolf. How do you not see this shit?

However, you're right. I should weigh different possibilities. Wuf/Rascal are always wolves from what I can see. Rilla/Gator, maybe wolf 98% of the time. Aubrey and yourself get the other 2% (this is a compliment as you'd cum all over yourself at the thought of a crazy play like this).

[BooG690]

Also, that means I'm locking on Rilla tomorrow.

[BooG690]

Drp, Rascal.

[OngBonga]

Ok so I'm proposing we lynch gabe because it eiliminates two viable teams...

gabe/keith/hoopy/boog, and
gabe/keith/monkey/drew

gabe's job can be to find a better lynch that eliminates more viable wolf teams.

[BooG690]

Ok so I'm proposing we lynch gabe because it eiliminates two viable teams...

gabe/keith/hoopy/boog, and
gabe/keith/monkey/drew

gabe's job can be to find a better lynch that eliminates more viable wolf teams.

A gabe lynch, fine. Mind if we wait to hear from BID/Monkey prior?

[OngBonga]

drew sure, I'm not holding my breath for monkey though.

[Hoopy]

Also, for the record, it's funny how Wuf has so much to write after Gator and Rascal are back. How is everyone buying this bullshit story?

The 4 wolves are the only ones who can muck around with their pairings and not get immediately outed by a villager.

wuf/rascal/rill/Gator are the 4 players with confusion about their pairings. Shocking.

[GatorJH]

No, I think we have the 4 wolves exactly in gabe/keith and boog/hoopy.

I bet if we lynch one of these guys the game is over and a berating of the wolves begins.

Agreed when you put these two together.

[GatorJH]

Seriously? Things obviously change. I had a boner for gabe prior to this obvious mistake made by the wolves.

Wuf, why did you wait for Gator to tell the true pairings rather than tell us the pairings yourself? You were getting enough heat yet you kept mum.

Can't you see that I was the only one who could correct the pairings? It was me that rilla claimed as his partner and therefore I was the only one who could say I wasn't his partner. Anything else looks like a staged gambit.

[OngBonga]

wuf could've called bullshit.

[GatorJH]

Your

LOL

[OngBonga]

Why can't gator see that wuf would be in a position to know rilla was full of shit?

Did the might gator wolf just slip?

[OngBonga]

Seriously? Things obviously change. I had a boner for gabe prior to this obvious mistake made by the wolves.

Wuf, why did you wait for Gator to tell the true pairings rather than tell us the pairings yourself? You were getting enough heat yet you kept mum.

Can't you see that I was the only one who could correct the pairings? It was me that rilla claimed as his partner and therefore I was the only one who could say I wasn't his partner. Anything else looks like a staged gambit.

gator is quite clear here that he fails to realise that as villager pair with wuf, that wuf would also know that rilla isn't gator's buddy.

I would immediately know aubrey can't be rilla's buddy if that's who he picked, I wouldn't need to think about it.

Yeah ok we got them.

lynch gator

[GatorJH]

We knew it was Rilla who started this. If you remember, I blamed him for this wolf failure. That doesn't change anything. We had Rascal and Wuf independently deciding to trust Rilla. They needed to trust that a) he was villager and b) he knew what he was doing. Also, Wuf was involved. There's a >80% chance he fucks the whole thing up as a villager.

Boog, if you really are a villager you are screwing things up royaly by your play here. Ong keeps trying to get you to open up, but all you can do is defend another pairing. I don't see a world where a villager does that today. If we don't win today then absolutely all of this needs to be discussed tomorrow, but not today.

[GatorJH]

Why can't gator see that wuf would be in a position to know rilla was full of shit?

Did the might gator wolf just slip?

wuf did know that rilla was full of shit. It is in all of his posts after rilla claimed me as his partner. What are you trying to say here?

[GatorJH]

wuf could've called bullshit.

It wouldn't have been as impactful and you know it.

[OngBonga]

wuf did know that rilla was full of shit. It is in all of his posts after rilla claimed me as his partner. What are you trying to say here?

Then why are you telling boog only you could've known?

[OngBonga]

Reply to #718, that's the meat of it.

[GatorJH]

gator is quite clear here that he fails to realise that as villager pair with wuf, that wuf would also know that rilla isn't gator's buddy.

I would immediately know aubrey can't be rilla's buddy if that's who he picked, I wouldn't need to think about it.

Yeah ok we got them.

lynch gator

You are making this way too hard on yourself Ong. It scares me how you can figure this out and then retreat at the slightest comment.

If you lynch me and see that wuf and I are villagers what is your play tomorrow? Is it still Gabe? What if Boog/Hoopy/Aubrey/BID are the wolves?

Gabe is the best lynch today by a mile.

[OngBonga]

It wouldn't have been as impactful and you know it.

This isn't my point.

Let me summarise what just happened...

boog asks wuf why he didn't call rilla out earlier.
You tell boog only you could've known.
I point out that's not true.
You agree that wuf knew as made it clear.

Do you see where you're grossly inconsistent here? Or am I too stoned to get the correct context?

[GatorJH]

Then why are you telling boog only you could've known?

I am not telling him that only I could have known I am saying it had to be me to say I wasn't rilla's partner because that gets the most impact out of what Rilla did.

Yes, wuf, or even rascal, could have outed the play by rilla but that didn't make sense to do. It made sense to let it sit until I got in and made the counter claim myself.

[GatorJH]

Or am I too stoned to get the correct context?

Yes you are. My context is not "couldn't" it is "shouldn't".

[OngBonga]

Can't you see that I was the only one who could correct the pairings? It was me that rilla claimed as his partner and therefore I was the only one who could say I wasn't his partner. Anything else looks like a staged gambit.

I am misreading the context. You're not saying wuf didn't know, just that wuf shouldn't be the one to clarify.

rescind

[OngBonga]

I love my moments of paranoia. While arguing with gator there, I thought "he sounds like a villager but FUCK YOU I GOT YOU".

[GatorJH]

I love my moments of paranoia. While arguing with gator there, I thought "he sounds like a villager but FUCK YOU I GOT YOU".

Don't worry. You still get my vote for mvp. While Rilla's move was brilliant he/we needed someone outside of us four to realize that only a villager would make that play and you figured that out.

[OngBonga]

I don't think "only" a villager would make that play. If you're wolves, then this is a forced moved. You have to come up with something. But the idea that this team would make this mistake does strike me as unlikely.

I like wuf's interactions with me while this was going on, in retrospect. His tone was relaxed and somewhat smug. He knew something I didn't. If this was a desperate wolf plan, I think he'd have been more nervous.

[GatorJH]

I don't think "only" a villager would make that play. If you're wolves, then this is a forced moved. You have to come up with something. But the idea that this team would make this mistake does strike me as unlikely.

I like wuf's interactions with me while this was going on, in retrospect. His tone was relaxed and somewhat smug. He knew something I didn't. If this was a desperate wolf plan, I think he'd have been more nervous.

You've nailed it on all points. Nothing in wuf/rascal or me looks like a panic group trying to right a mistake that would have been a HUGE mistake (not pairing up at the beginning of the game).

[gabe]

what a crazy day. stuff like this is why i love werewolf


rascal/wuf/gator/rilla have to do this routine when they get caught fucking up. it's the only viable excuse once they get put into a corner. i think the reasons we had for them fucking up are more likely then this weird cross partner claim.

i know i'm a villager so i dont see who else it could be.. boog/hoopy/smf/bid ? also if we incorrectly kill one of that foursome, we gain 2 confirmed villagers. i'm not sure killing me locks up the game because you could hope the wolves are the crazy-claim 4some, but its not a lock because their explanation easily could be real (and thus wolves are boog/hoopy + one of the softcleared pairs)


check out this wolf post:

For once I would REALLY like to be alive when the village wins so could we please start with the gabe Hoopy Keith Boog group?

[Hoopy]

It's funny.

The GOAT wolf Gator has to roll in and save his buddies hides. I doubt he thought up this plan.

[OngBonga]

drew get your ass in here, stop pretending to have a life.

[gabe]

You've nailed it on all points. Nothing in wuf/rascal or me looks like a panic group trying to right a mistake that would have been a HUGE mistake (not pairing up at the beginning of the game).

the entire explanation for things looks like a panicked group. you 4 were dead no matter what, then came out with the only possible explanation. "uhhh we said the wrong pairs! these are the actual pairs! trust us, we were really smart to do this"

theres just not enough universes where you are villagers doing all that. in all the universes where you are wolves, this is the reasons you have to come up with to give yourself outs

[OngBonga]

boog's early pressure on gabe can totally be "they'll expect us to hard defend each other, gabe isn't getting lynched, we can work together later to make sure of that, this muddies the water when people try to figure out who's protecting who".

[GatorJH]

check out this wolf post:

Is me wanting to be alive when the village wins the best thing you can come up with Gabe? Come on, you are better than that.

[Hoopy]

I read through the entire thread again.

This 'trap' that rilla set is non existent. It serves no purpose.

The wolves messed up and are scrambling to recover.

[Hoopy]

Looks like the village is divided.

wuf, rascal, rilla, Gator, Ong

vs

me, BooG, gabe, keith, BID

Looks like SMF and aubrey will have the final decision.

[BankItDrew]

drew get your ass in here, stop pretending to have a life.

I don't have a life. I just have very little to contribute that hasn't already been said.

I don't believe that the 'cross claiming' was an elaborate, pre-planned, hopeful idea (hopeful in that it requires so many moving pieces to come together). I think it's more likely that the wolves made mistakes.

[gabe]

Is me wanting to be alive when the village wins the best thing you can come up with Gabe? Come on, you are better than that.

no thats not nearly the best thing. i just put it there because when i originally saw that post it screamed wolf. sorry jerry

the actual best thing i have is that you guys want us to believe in a convoluted village scheme that relies on one villager making a perfect soulread, and risking the entire game on it. it's 100x more likely this is wolves panicking. the fact that you say you arent panicked makes me think you are exactly that

[gabe]

I read through the entire thread again.

This 'trap' that rilla set is non existent. It serves no purpose.

The wolves messed up and are scrambling to recover.

right. and if rilla is a villager, if he made the wrong read, the village would lose. i dont see any one here making this type of play as villagers

[Hoopy]

Can we get another count please JKDS?

[BankItDrew]

Don't worry. You still get my vote for mvp. While Rilla's move was brilliant he/we needed someone outside of us four to realize that only a villager would make that play and you figured that out.

If gator said this to anyone on D1, they might be suspicious.

Say it to ong though... It might be good enough to pocket the guy.

[BankItDrew]

"Oh come on. The four of us are really smart!"

GTFOH

[GatorJH]

Gabe, in what world do you think me, wuf, rascal and rilla as wolves neglect that we need to "pair up" as the first order of business? That never happens so when you get past that the next thing to consider is that Rilla would have to be making a very weird play at a very weird spot for the wolves. That doesn't make sense either.

if you really are a villager then help us understand why you can't be a wolf.

[OngBonga]

If gator said this to anyone on D1, they might be suspicious.

Say it to ong though... It might be good enough to pocket the guy.

Pocket me for a day.

If we mislynch from gabe/keith/boog/hoopy today, then I can't see in what world we don't lynch from that four tomorrow.

[GatorJH]

Is me wanting to be alive when the village wins the best thing you can come up with Gabe? Come on, you are better than that.

"Oh come on. The four of us are really smart!"

GTFOH

It's not that Drew, it's just that we aren't THAT stupid.

[GatorJH]

Not sure why Gabe's quote was in the above.