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    You could have simply assumed I already know those stories... not in the least because they only consist of a couple of verses and then it goes on for hundreds of pages on how to build a nice tabernacle and who begot who.

    God can be seen as a metaphor for chances of success, your own self, someone else, the greater good or a variety of other things, but usually one of these four or five
    Even if you're in the camp that thinks every single person and event in the bible is metaphorical, this is still a hard position to defend. Chance of success doesn't genocide almost the entire planet. Your own self hopefully wouldn't command infaticide, and the greater good wouldn't send a bear to maul 42 children.

    There's an account of genesis that would be more fitting to support your side. I want to say it's the one in the torah, or possible apocryphal. It's where Cain digs the earth with his bare hands and runs after animals to harvest them, and Abel is just a jerk-off who runs around doing nothing, and in the process finds a magic ram from the garden who lets him domesticate his kind. He invents the plow and gives it to Cain, he gets some sweet love from Lilith while Cain only gets sloppy seconds. Cain finally breaks and refuses to use any of Abel's gifts and when Abel confronts him and wants to give him an Axe so he can chop better, Cain kills him with that axe. God punishes Cain by giving him horns among other things and he is later mistaken for a deer and shot by Seth (or one of his sons) if I remember correctly.
    Anyway, the point is Cain thought he was being treated unfairly even though he was massively benefiting from the gifts from his brother.

    I'm not saying those other stories are void of any moral lessons, but the reason I'd never use them is because of the other horrendous shit they're associated with. It's not a coincidence that the bible was used to justify the crusades along with a massive string of incredibly lethal nonsense in post-luther europe. Any lesson in ethics you can draw from it that actually make sense could be derived from logic without all the baggage that comes with doctrine.

    My main point is that doctrine is never a good thing. If you can't explain your moral framework logically, you should try to explain it or re-evaluate it.
    Last edited by oskar; 01-23-2018 at 03:37 PM.
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